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co-founded one of the most popular bands

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of all time

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blink 182 along with his side projects

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angels and airwaves and boxcar racer he

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was at the height

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of his musical career and then he

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decided to

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walk away from all of it in pursuit of

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something completely

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different here's tom delong during an

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exclusive interview

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with jason mcclellan and maureen

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ellsberry on their hit

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web series spacing out one of my first

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memories is being in seventh grade where

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i was walking

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like an hour in junior high it's like

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the first you know

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school kind of system engineer high

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level where you get to walk between

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classes so you have a few minutes

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i for some reason had more than a few

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minutes so i had to go to the library

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and i was walking through this library

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and i didn't read books at all then you

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know in school i was like books who

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wants three books you know i'm

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skateboarding and stuff so i'm like well

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if i have to read a book right now

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uh i wonder if there's like any weird

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like ufo books

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and i don't even know why that came to

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my attention it was so odd because

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that's

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and all i found was a book that had

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something about one ufo and the loch

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ness monster but either way it was cool

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and it was in my school library

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and from that moment forward it really

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sparked my interest but it kind of

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there's a gap there

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until i was able to actually afford to

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buy a computer so computers were really

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um when i was 20 21 that's like the

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beginning of the 90s like

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bam things are happening with computers

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so i signed a record contract

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and got my first paycheck and the very

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first thing i did was i went out and

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bought this

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shitty like compact computer or

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something and uh

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i brought it home signed on and i think

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i just typed in like

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ufos or something or area 51 i don't

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even know

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there's the common term and at that time

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it popped up the desert rat papers do

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you remember the desert rat oh yeah yeah

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i forgot his name

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uh gore i want to say gordon or

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something or i don't remember

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but it was it was the guy that lived in

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rachel nevada that just all he did

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was just blog and write about his

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ongoings at

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monitoring area 51 because at that point

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the one of the peaks looking in were

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free so the navy didn't really wrap up

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one part of it was open so he was able

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to go in there and do some do some

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i was instantly hooked i'm all this is

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like fiction but it's non-fiction

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it's even better de long would continue

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his pursuit

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digging deeper and deeper into ufos

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which would eventually lead to a series

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of secret meetings

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with high level government insiders

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first time i met with a government

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official it would have been in the back

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at an airport where i meet this

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this person he's a general and he walks

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vacant area of an airport restaurant

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waiter comes over to take a drink and he

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puts his hand up and says we we're just

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having a conversation we don't need

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anything and the guy's all like

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okay fine then you know whatever he said

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walked away and then he looked me in the

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it was the cold war and everything we

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a very real palpable threat

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and i remember right when he said that

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my heart just started beating like crazy

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in my chest i got all the chills

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and the next conversation that happened

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and scary those meetings would

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ultimately lead to an

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advisory board that would eventually

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academy of arts and science the

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insiders who would work behind the

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to socialize the topic of ufos and

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that team originally consisted of jim

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and luis elizondo from there

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we would eventually learn of the one

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program known as atip we'd see the now

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famous

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and officially acknowledged and released

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and then we'd see by request by the

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all of this in its weird and convoluted

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traced back to tom delong but it also

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to the meeting with whom tom would call

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the general who would allegedly set up

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and would lead de long done a path that

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and none other than tom delong in the

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de long would explain his meetings with

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geelong would go so far as to name this

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after a 34-year career he culminated

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where he led the usaf's 4 billion dollar

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mccaslin holds a degree in astronautical

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and the subsequent chain of events that

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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welcome to this very special panel

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discussion today

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i am calling this six degrees of general

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mccaslin and we have an awesome panel

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tim is here with us we've got zak saichi

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twitter who gets along with mick west

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jeremy corbell keith floor steve bastet

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she's allowing us to use her name

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for the first time ever on somewhere in

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the skies brit welcome

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to this very special panel discussion

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thanks for having me

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yeah this is gonna be fun guys so um

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let's set the stage for what we're doing

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here today this is general

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neil mccaslin who uh some people might

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not even know who this dude is

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um or why he may be important to the

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and um you guys are kind of the ones who

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have brought this name up and been

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like we might want to look a little

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further into this person

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um because mainstream media doesn't seem

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to want to do it and um

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he might might being the key word uh be

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the connector to a lot of what's going

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on today maybe

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but um let's start before we even get to

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i want to get your guys initial thoughts

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of when

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to the stars academy which uh i should

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uh before to the stars really started

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uh your initial thoughts when tom delong

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advisors he was working with uh i i'm

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when i first heard about it i'm like

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are we doing this is this disclosure

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um that we've always dreamed of so what

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delonge first started talking about this

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stuff zach let's start with you

289
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sure man thank you for having me on by

290
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the way it's uh it's an honor to be on

291
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the show

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uh i thought of dan aykroyd

293
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really yeah you know do you remember uh

294
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do you remember dan

295
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aykroyd came out a long time ago um as

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you know super into this stuff in fact

297
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like that's the reason why he

298
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uh you know wrote ghostbusters you know

299
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he was really into

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paranormal weird stuff and to me it was

301
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like okay here's another celebrity

302
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coming out

303
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who is super into weird stuff and

304
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honestly

305
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on a surface level i didn't think a lot

306
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more of it

307
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when it when it first started to come

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fruit to come to fruition because even

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prior to to the stars you know tom was

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doing interviews

311
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talking about the ufo issue talking

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about why it's important

313
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you know and he i think he even did a

314
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couple debates with skeptics

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and things like that um you know but

316
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then

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obviously everything that happened uh

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with

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the new york times article um and all

320
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the people that were involved into the

321
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stars academy obviously

322
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it um raised my eyebrows for sure

323
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i didn't really know what to make of it

324
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but

325
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you know as we're going to be kind of

326
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talking about on the show one of the

327
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things that lended some amount of

328
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credibility

329
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to the efforts that he was making early

330
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on were actually those

331
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those john podesta 2016 wikileaks emails

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where it turned out

333
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oh my god he really was talking to john

334
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podesta he really was in communication

335
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with

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you know high level officials and people

337
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that

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should have some kind of no you know

339
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they should know about this stuff

340
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and so i started paying a little more

341
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attention that's sort of the

342
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short version i guess nice okay awesome

343
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no i love it man because again like

344
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this was a kind of a key moment because

345
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we now are learning

346
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of um all these people tom was working

347
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with we all thought he was full of [\h__\h]

348
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to be completely honest until the

349
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podesta emails came out um which i'm

350
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gonna read the email in a little bit

351
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here

352
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but um right let's go with you what were

353
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your initial

354
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impressions when you first heard about

355
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you know this former blink 182

356
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dude saying that like he was gonna

357
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disclose the truth on ufos or

358
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or whatever his grand plans were what

359
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did you think

360
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well um i have to say you know first and

361
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foremost like

362
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i just recently got into this topic yeah

363
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the 60 minutes episode on uap's is

364
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actually what brought me over here

365
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wow okay and so um i'll never forget

366
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like

367
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the day that that aired i was hanging

368
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out with a couple of my friends right

369
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from high school and uh one of my

370
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buddies

371
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super into blink 182 and he was just

372
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like yo tom delong

373
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yeah he's really into that stuff i was

374
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like oh really

375
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but besides that i had no idea first

376
00:13:01,910 --> 00:12:57,680
time i ever heard of lou elizondo was

377
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through that right and so um

378
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honestly i i

379
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:07,600
what should i say here like i don't

380
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really have like any sort of uh

381
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feeling or anything except for like

382
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that's sick you know curiosity

383
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yeah very curious you know so of course

384
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like when i was going through the

385
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wikileaks emails

386
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when they first released i'm pretty sure

387
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any curious

388
00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:25,920
mind the first thing that they typed in

389
00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:27,920
on wikileaks was ufos

390
00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:30,720
oh yeah for sure absolutely and it's so

391
00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:32,240
crazy because like i never really

392
00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:34,399
listened to blink 182 like i'm a weird

393
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:35,360
2000s kid

394
00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:37,920
right like very weird uh i wasn't really

395
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:39,600
into that scene right so

396
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:40,800
when i was going through the whole

397
00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:42,399
entire thing i don't think it even

398
00:13:45,509 --> 00:13:44,399
clicked with me at the time that it was

399
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tom delong

400
00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:48,320
or who tom delon was link 182 didn't

401
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:49,920
even click but i'll tell you one thing

402
00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:53,120
i saw ufos and i saw

403
00:14:00,829 --> 00:13:56,880
a roswell uh crash and i did also see

404
00:14:03,189 --> 00:14:00,839
a name general mccaslin so

405
00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:03,199
um what do i think about it right now

406
00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:03,920
well

407
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:06,480
it's crazy all of it's crazy it is crazy

408
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,880
that tom delong was able to get a hold

409
00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:10,800
and get all these people together

410
00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:13,839
all these credible figures together it's

411
00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:16,320
absolutely amazing yeah but at the same

412
00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:18,320
time

413
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:20,000
there's a couple things that don't

414
00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:21,680
necessarily add up

415
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:24,720
and i'm sure right that a lot of us

416
00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:27,440
who have dug into the wikileaks emails

417
00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,760
and

418
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,240
really dug into uh to the stars academy

419
00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:32,399
in general all think the same thing

420
00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:34,320
right just something's a little off

421
00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:36,320
there something's off and we'll

422
00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:38,320
we'll we will get there because i think

423
00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:39,920
you know that's that's kind of where

424
00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:41,199
we're at like

425
00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,680
to the stars kind of came and then went

426
00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:45,360
and now we're kind of left like

427
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:48,160
wondering right what do we do now and i

428
00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:49,120
think you know

429
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:50,240
the fact that we're having this

430
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:52,240
discussion today about a general

431
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:54,320
who may not have even have been involved

432
00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:57,040
in this except for rumor and speculation

433
00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:57,519
and

434
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:00,880
actual dude that

435
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:04,000
tom talked to he says it but we'll get

436
00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:05,440
to that but um

437
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:07,760
tim how about you my man when tom

438
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:08,560
delonge first

439
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,880
came forward and all this happened and

440
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:13,199
then boom new york times article

441
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:14,320
what what do you got what were your

442
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:16,639
initial impressions well

443
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:19,760
yeah i was kind of late to the party uh

444
00:15:24,389 --> 00:15:22,160
not his latest brit there but you know i

445
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,399
didn't pay any attention

446
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:26,320
i wasn't a part of the ufo community or

447
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:27,760
really paying attention to the topic in

448
00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:28,560
general

449
00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:31,920
uh until you know late december 2017

450
00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:33,440
when the new york times came out these

451
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,959
videos started coming out

452
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:36,800
and so i kind of had to backtrack and

453
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,399
listen i think uh

454
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:40,480
the first thing i thought when i watched

455
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:42,160
that initial press conference that was

456
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:43,920
held back in october

457
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,959
um was that it was so freaking weird

458
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:48,480
that they were clearly in an empty

459
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,519
auditorium

460
00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:51,199
uh yeah i couldn't figure out why the

461
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:52,560
hell they would do that you know it was

462
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:55,759
so strange especially for what they were

463
00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:57,839
saying they were going to do but i think

464
00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:59,040
like anybody else

465
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,759
i guess for me not not coming from a ufo

466
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:02,560
background

467
00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:05,759
per se uh it was strange

468
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,199
to see people you know some of the

469
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,279
people up there on the stage that i was

470
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,920
at least vaguely familiar with uh people

471
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:13,440
that that do have credentialed

472
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,120
backgrounds you know like christopher

473
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,480
mellon steve justice

474
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,160
you know working at skunk works at

475
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:19,600
lockheed martin

476
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:23,360
jim semivan and so it was just odd

477
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:26,399
you know it's an odd mix be there

478
00:16:30,069 --> 00:16:29,199
and i guess i didn't uh i guess because

479
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:30,079
i didn't get to hear

480
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,680
the news when it first came out in

481
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:34,079
october i probably didn't

482
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,440
have the same response as a lot of

483
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,600
people who it maybe wasn't as odd

484
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:39,120
because i at least had the benefit

485
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:42,480
of seeing them actually do something

486
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:44,240
in terms of releasing information and

487
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:46,399
and and being the ones to kind of break

488
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:47,120
the news on

489
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,560
a tip and asap and all of that so uh

490
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:52,959
you know like brit said i guess in

491
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,639
retrospect it's weird

492
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:56,480
and it's still weird but it's an

493
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:58,160
interesting topic maybe it's

494
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:01,680
weird because it's a mix of weird

495
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:04,720
but people that aren't weird

496
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:07,839
really weird confluence uh yeah it's

497
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:08,640
it's

498
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,240
the cafeteria

499
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:15,120
it is the ultimate uh breakfast clumpton

500
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:16,880
i think for sure

501
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:19,919
i um i remember so i i don't remember i

502
00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:22,000
think it was 2012.

503
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:24,400
i was at the international ufo congress

504
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:25,360
in um

505
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,079
arizona and i'm sitting at a banquet

506
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:30,559
table we're having like this this dinner

507
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,400
and um i look up and in the corner

508
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:36,960
is this tall lanky dude just standing

509
00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:37,520
there

510
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,919
like scoping out the room and listening

511
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:40,880
to what was going on

512
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:43,360
and lo and behold it was tom de long so

513
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,160
i mean

514
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,640
there you go man this guy he was he's no

515
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:48,880
slouch he didn't just get into this

516
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:51,600
um he's had a fascination and interest

517
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,080
for

518
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,480
god years now ever since he was on the

519
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:56,960
tour buses and stuff with uh blink

520
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:00,000
but um he somehow wiggled

521
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,600
his way into whatever it is that he came

522
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,120
up with with to the stars

523
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,039
and again i think a lot of us thought oh

524
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:08,640
man like this is all

525
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:10,640
bs like this is going to blow up in his

526
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:11,919
face and then

527
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:14,000
like brett mentioned the the podesta

528
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:15,760
emails were leaked and i'm just gonna

529
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,559
read

530
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,559
right here the um the email that really

531
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,000
caught all of our attention

532
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:22,640
this was from tom delong to uh john

533
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,600
podesta the subject was general mccaslin

534
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:27,679
there you go the subject was literally

535
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:29,120
general mccaslin

536
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,880
and tom is saying to podesta he

537
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,120
mentioned he's a skeptic he's not

538
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,559
i've been working with him for four

539
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:36,320
months i just got done giving him a four

540
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,679
hour presentation

541
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,840
on the entire project a few weeks ago

542
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,200
trust me the advice

543
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,320
is already been um hazard

544
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,400
has already been happening on how to do

545
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:48,799
all of this he just has to say that out

546
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,880
loud but he is very very aware

547
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:53,039
and he was in charge of all of this

548
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,000
stuff when

549
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,720
roswell crashed it's an interesting way

550
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,640
of working it when roswell crashed

551
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,400
they shipped it to the laboratory at

552
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:02,240
wright-patterson air force base

553
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,280
which we will get to um general mccaslin

554
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,440
was in charge of that exact

555
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,760
laboratory up to a couple years ago he

556
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:11,200
not only knows what i'm trying to

557
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:11,840
achieve

558
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:15,039
he helped assemble my advisory team he's

559
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:15,919
a very

560
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,320
important man so

561
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:23,440
i i i mean i i don't know what else to

562
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:23,760
say

563
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:26,240
other than general mccaslin must be this

564
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,200
individual

565
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:29,600
what what do you guys think right i

566
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,400
think um

567
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,160
we should provide a little bit of

568
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:33,679
background though

569
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,880
as to why why we think that that that

570
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,000
general is

571
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:40,559
okay so first of all tom delong was

572
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:41,280
going around

573
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:44,480
in 2016 giving various interviews and he

574
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,880
was

575
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:47,679
talking about and recalling this story

576
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,400
uh

577
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,600
of this guy that he called the general

578
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,400
okay there's a lot to this but i'm gonna

579
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:56,080
be as brief as possible because there's

580
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,919
just too much to get into

581
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,600
basically he had this you know you

582
00:20:02,149 --> 00:20:01,440
recall this story he had this airport

583
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,159
meeting

584
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,919
you know he had climbed the hierarchy of

585
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,520
secrecy or whatever and he has this

586
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,000
airport

587
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:09,039
meeting with this general uh just the

588
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:10,000
general

589
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:14,240
found a life form and it was the cold

590
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,880
war

591
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,200
and basically gives him you know he

592
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,640
feeds tom this whole story um

593
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,440
you know like a a new kind of core story

594
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,400
of

595
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,360
ufo mythology i guess right and it kind

596
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,280
of sounds a lot like

597
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,280
other core mythologies that we've heard

598
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:32,880
in the past for for

599
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,080
you know this topic and

600
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:39,600
you know the reason why we why i think

601
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:42,640
that when uh you know tom is referencing

602
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,440
uh

603
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,440
you know mccaslin in that email why i

604
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:47,039
think the general that he was talking

605
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,159
about publicly

606
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,320
and this the general mccaslin that he's

607
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,080
talking about privately why i think they

608
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,760
almost have to be the same guy is

609
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:55,600
because he's talking about the exact

610
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:56,559
same

611
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:59,360
things like oh this guy who ran research

612
00:21:04,070 --> 00:20:59,919
at

613
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,080
base where you know they shipped the the

614
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,240
roswell crash or whatever

615
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,919
it has to be the same guy because the

616
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:10,000
language is just too similar between his

617
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,360
public interviews

618
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,960
and what he's privately saying to john

619
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,640
podesta

620
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,720
so that's that's that's my impression of

621
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,240
it right

622
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,280
right and i mean again like i think when

623
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,360
looking at the background of mccasland

624
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:25,280
is when it really starts to fall into

625
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,840
place

626
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,200
i mean like you said he worked at wright

627
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,840
patterson um he worked at los angeles

628
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,400
air force base early on in his career

629
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:35,280
um i actually i talked to don schmidt

630
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,159
this morning

631
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,760
um for any of our listeners who don't

632
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:39,120
know he was one of the he's one of the

633
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,240
most prominent

634
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,400
roswell investigators out there he's

635
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:44,000
been looking at the case for a while

636
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,440
and i just like out of the blue i

637
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,200
messaged him i'm like hey man

638
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:49,440
like in all of your research into wright

639
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,240
patterson

640
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,280
and roswell like has general mccaslin

641
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,480
ever come up

642
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,799
and um he messaged me back immediately

643
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,080
he was like yeah funny you should

644
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,559
mention that i um here's exactly what he

645
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,679
said um i

646
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,000
met mccaslin at a luncheon at the

647
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,320
petroleum club in new mexico

648
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,919
but didn't know his connections to

649
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,600
wright patterson at the time

650
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,679
uh once i got to really know more about

651
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,600
him and what he was involved in

652
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,520
um i reached out to him personally to

653
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,760
talk about the roswell crash

654
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,480
and possible wreckage and he refused to

655
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:21,200
comment

656
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,640
on anything to me so um

657
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,799
interesting um it doesn't really add to

658
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,080
the story other than

659
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:30,320
the primary you know person looking at

660
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,200
roswell

661
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,520
was kind of brushed off on the castle

662
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,919
and and i will say i did reach out to

663
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:38,480
general mccaslin um in a very public

664
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,440
sort of way

665
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,559
uh recently no like backdoor meetings or

666
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,600
communication

667
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,840
but he did read my message i know that

668
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,799
for a fact

669
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,880
so you know as of the recording of this

670
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:50,720
he has not answered me back

671
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,840
but we will see we will see but um i

672
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:54,960
guess

673
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:58,480
um brit now mccaslin is something you've

674
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,120
been looking

675
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,520
a lot into lately and you've been

676
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,159
digging and making some connections so

677
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,559
what do you think is most important

678
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,000
about this guy and why we should

679
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,840
continue looking at him as uh

680
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,559
possibly the person who set all of this

681
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,720
into motion with tom the

682
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,799
people he's working with yeah what do

683
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,840
you think

684
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,440
but yeah it's just his background in

685
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:20,880
aerospace technology

686
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:24,320
right um he's got a very prestigious

687
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,360
background

688
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,919
it's very impressive and you know you

689
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,200
can hear rumors

690
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,360
uh just people in general just like to

691
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,559
pass around the rumor about

692
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,960
wright patterson being like the base

693
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,039
where they have like all the cool stuff

694
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,400
oh yeah i like et and ufos

695
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,960
um but and you know another interesting

696
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,559
thing about him is that he

697
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,440
worked in the kirtland uh research

698
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,320
facility

699
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:50,640
right and you know like it's just he has

700
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,520
a lot of like

701
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:54,159
interesting like connections in general

702
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,120
to

703
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:56,880
things that are like kind of like

704
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,400
rumored to be associated with this

705
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:02,240
just like this whole entire phenomenon

706
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,909
sorry brad i just want to ask are you

707
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,840
familiar with the kirtland

708
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,919
mythology when it comes to ufos is that

709
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,520
something you've looked into yet or no

710
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:16,559
i am currently looking into it okay i

711
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:16,880
know

712
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,159
basically all like missile related

713
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:23,520
research um

714
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,279
and space vehicles uh propulsion

715
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,600
stuff like that but the mythology behind

716
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,200
it i know it exists i mean i've heard

717
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,480
you talk about it

718
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,039
but i haven't personally looked into it

719
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,480
just yet because you know there's just

720
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,480
like an endless array of rabbit holes to

721
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:39,919
fall into

722
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:42,960
well researching this uh phenomenon

723
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,640
and i i can honestly say genuinely say i

724
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,159
have not covered all of it just yet

725
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,320
i'm only just at the tip of the iceberg

726
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,679
right now but the castle

727
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,600
in general was just the most interesting

728
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:55,600
to me right so i'm just

729
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,200
sadly digging sadly digging gotcha

730
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,440
tim what do you um what do you make of

731
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,200
this guy now i know you

732
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,120
you've spoken to a lot of people

733
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,640
including in your uh

734
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,640
your three-part series recently over at

735
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,919
the debrief like

736
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,400
you know how these people react when it

737
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,400
comes to ufos and

738
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,159
you know it's not something they ever

739
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,400
want to touch and it seems like

740
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,720
you know this guy was willing to really

741
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,159
cooperate with tom

742
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,720
um even when ufos came up so like what

743
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,760
do you think man

744
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,080
is this something that they saw an

745
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:29,679
opportunity to work with this guy

746
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,720
and just play him or uh yeah what what

747
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,320
do you make of the whole mccaslin thing

748
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,000
if you even think this is the dude that

749
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,679
set this stuff all up well

750
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:42,000
i mean we're down to the core we're

751
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:43,279
getting right to the heart of the real

752
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,320
deal here

753
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,480
we just dig right into it we're going

754
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,000
right to the end of the movie yep

755
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,200
all right man cool uh i think um

756
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,520
you know i think it's an interesting you

757
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,039
know the whole kind of it

758
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,880
adds like like zach said it adds some

759
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:58,880
really interesting mythology to it

760
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,159
now uh one problem that i have with the

761
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,919
whole mccaslin story has nothing to do

762
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,640
with

763
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,400
what we just discussed and publicly out

764
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:08,080
there but it's just based on the simple

765
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,640
fact that

766
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,400
everything that we know and all

767
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,240
inferences that we have to kind of make

768
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:15,440
are based solely on just a single source

769
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:18,320
in this case uh tom delong and i'm sure

770
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,200
we'll

771
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,960
get into it in a little bit but there's

772
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,039
you know been some comments by tom

773
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,960
in different interviews at various

774
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,039
points where it is called to question

775
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,120
the veracity of some of what he's saying

776
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:32,000
um you know down to the pac down to the

777
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,360
fact that one could even question

778
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,320
whether or not

779
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,960
what explicitly tom was saying in those

780
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,480
emails uh

781
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,679
to podesta was was accurate you know so

782
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,880
that's what makes it really difficult

783
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,799
for me you know and i don't think i

784
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,600
dispute

785
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,640
uh i think that it's um

786
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,000
i would say with a high degree of

787
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,880
certainty that mccaslin is probably the

788
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,840
quote general

789
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,159
that uh de long has referenced in

790
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:57,760
numerous occasions

791
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,400
now beyond that in terms of you know it

792
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,320
was the cold war we found a life form i

793
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,919
mean that sounds like a great book for a

794
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,400
book

795
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,520
or a movie um or

796
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,440
even the you know the information where

797
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,960
he's saying he's been helping me build

798
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,039
my team out this type of stuff

799
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,640
uh you know like you like you mentioned

800
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,559
i've have had an opportunity i've been

801
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,720
fortunate to speak to a lot of people

802
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,120
uh who have either worked on these kind

803
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:22,960
of ufo programs

804
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:25,840
in more contemporaneous uh you know more

805
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,320
current

806
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,120
i should say uh time frames or even in

807
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,320
the recent past going back to osap

808
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,440
they do not they no one has shared that

809
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,880
same sentiment

810
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,440
with me that uh cousin is like the

811
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,399
smoking man from x-files behind us

812
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,520
um all of that said i think that

813
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:48,159
it's totally understandable why mccaslin

814
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:49,440
would come up

815
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,120
i think that uh you know in turn i mean

816
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,799
if you were going to write a script for

817
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,120
it in the mythology

818
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,240
mccaslin's a great character to cast uh

819
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,080
you know down i think brit touched on it

820
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,240
his assignments you know not just

821
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,480
his career specifically what he's done

822
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,080
during his air force career

823
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,600
is he had a number of posts and

824
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,760
assignments where

825
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,679
you know if there is more ufo

826
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,120
involvement in the u.s government than

827
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,880
they let on he certainly would be in a

828
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,320
position to kind of know that

829
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,159
you know going down to his initial

830
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,000
assignments right out of uh

831
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,679
you know right out of college when he

832
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,279
was first commissioned in the air force

833
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,360
down at los angeles air force base

834
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,880
you know in the early 80s he would have

835
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:30,960
been working on

836
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:33,520
uh the star wars program so a lot of

837
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,480
satellite

838
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,440
a lot of missile defense stuff a lot of

839
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:39,440
monitoring is very very tense time frame

840
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,919
there

841
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,159
and so you know i think we mentioned

842
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,240
this off the mic uh

843
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,320
when we were chatting about it but one

844
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,000
intriguing thing and this just kind of

845
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,520
comes from me

846
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,600
my background in law enforcement one of

847
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,520
those roles was as a profiler and so you

848
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,159
start looking to see does behavior match

849
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,399
what's being said and it's interesting

850
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,559
to me that the the quote about it was a

851
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,440
cold war

852
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,520
you know the threat of nuclear war was

853
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,200
every day around us

854
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:08,000
um that's actually you know consistent

855
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,640
with what

856
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,520
somebody in mccaslin's position during

857
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,200
the early 1980s would say

858
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:15,120
frankly because it was a very tense time

859
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,240
it was you know

860
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,000
arguably one of the most tense times

861
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,240
next to the cuban missile crisis

862
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,799
and so i think that him being assigned

863
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,000
there initially

864
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,240
you know if you're there's enough

865
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:27,919
reconnaissance and surveillance

866
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,559
and intelligence assets that are in

867
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,120
satellite space and in atmospheric space

868
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:35,440
if you've got stuff coming through and

869
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:36,240
you're picking it up

870
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,120
obviously there's going to be a

871
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,440
conversation hat you know later in his

872
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,000
career he

873
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,600
he worked a lot of acquisitions and

874
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,840
materials command related stuff both at

875
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,200
the pentagon and then

876
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,960
there at air force research labs that's

877
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,480
that's specifically where he worked at

878
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,919
wright patterson

879
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,640
uh in the materials division and so sure

880
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,399
you know right pat has

881
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,120
considerable history in the the roswell

882
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,360
myths and the ufo myths

883
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,640
and his specific command position

884
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,640
would have been inside the materials

885
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,320
doctor and so

886
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:09,520
um he's definitely kind of in all these

887
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,000
right

888
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:13,360
positions but uh is what he said

889
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,240
accurate

890
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,320
you know i don't know and that's what

891
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,840
makes it difficult is because we only

892
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,760
have one side of the story

893
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:21,440
and more than that we don't even have a

894
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,960
direct side of the story so we have tom

895
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,559
who's made either general inferences

896
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,559
about quote the general or we have we're

897
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,159
reading an email that let's

898
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,240
us i'll be honest was not meant for

899
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:34,080
public consumption anyway it was sent to

900
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,559
the

901
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:37,840
recipient and so yeah

902
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,720
it's like if anybody combed through our

903
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,240
emails i bet you they could get all

904
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,840
sorts of impressions that probably

905
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,880
aren't accurate

906
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,120
you know you if you comb through

907
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,320
somebody's text messages

908
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:50,159
uh because conversations going on the

909
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,600
phone they're going in person so we

910
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,960
don't know

911
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,559
there's a lot of unknowns there and so

912
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,159
it's difficult for me

913
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,799
right zach well that brings up something

914
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:00,880
that zach has brought up in his

915
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:04,159
uh looking into all of this is um

916
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,159
tom delong and his admit admitting that

917
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,200
he might have made some stuff up to get

918
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,480
higher and higher up the food chain

919
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,480
somehow you were able to not not only

920
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,159
get people on the phone but get people

921
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:20,159
on the record and start really getting

922
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,559
stuff

923
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,080
out to the public that had never been

924
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,919
available before and that's a is that

925
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,600
just due to your sheer tenacity it

926
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,480
really kind of

927
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,039
was uh i basically the very beginning of

928
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,279
it i was playing a lot of very important

929
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,000
people off each

930
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,360
other it was really kind of funny i was

931
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,559
just making things up i was like hey i'm

932
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:36,000
talking to so-and-so and i go to that

933
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,440
guy well hey i'm talking to so-and-so

934
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,880
and you weren't talking to anybody oh i

935
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,240
kind of was but it was more like

936
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:41,840
handshakes and hellos

937
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880
you know zach do you want to comment on

938
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,559
that and kind of how it plays into what

939
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,840
tim's saying there that like

940
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,760
we've got this one dude to trust when it

941
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,679
comes to all this and um

942
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,399
okay he's the lead singer of blink182 so

943
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,080
take that for what it is

944
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:59,440
yeah uh there's so much here

945
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,399
to sort of it's a puzzle right and it's

946
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,679
like you're just trying to

947
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,360
try to wrap your head around all these

948
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,880
various pieces and we don't have the

949
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,320
full context

950
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,640
so you've got to kind of infer certain

951
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,880
things um

952
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,880
right and i actually i don't like to

953
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:16,399
infer things i like to look at

954
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:19,760
like what can we prove here so

955
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,799
what i can prove is tom delong went on

956
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,960
the radio on kroq radio

957
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,000
um you know and said that he was

958
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,760
essentially playing people off each

959
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,320
other early on like these are his words

960
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,919
he said i was playing people

961
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,320
off each other in some cases you know he

962
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,480
only it was like handshakes and hellos

963
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,919
is the way he described it

964
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,840
you know so like he took these

965
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,679
handshakes and hellos and then went to

966
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,679
other people and said

967
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:48,320
who knows right and we have to guess

968
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,200
based on

969
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,080
you know that like was he doing the same

970
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,760
thing here with podesta and

971
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,960
mccaslin right we don't know what tom

972
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,880
was saying directly to mccasland

973
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,120
we only know what tom was saying about

974
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,640
mccasland

975
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:05,519
to podesta you know which is why it

976
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,080
would be

977
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,880
really great uh for for mccaslin to come

978
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,080
out and kind of clear this up

979
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,000
and you know the argument that i've been

980
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,320
i've been railing on and making for a

981
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,000
long time is

982
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,600
this is something that really adds

983
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,279
credit credibility

984
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,919
to tom's story for people that are just

985
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,039
looking at this

986
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,960
and just kind of skimming the surface of

987
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,799
things it's like well look at this

988
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,440
tom talked to general mccaslin look he

989
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,679
had a google hangouts meeting with him

990
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,200
like he had a google hangouts meeting

991
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,519
with fricken

992
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,880
mccaslin robert weiss from skunk works

993
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,519
works right yeah someone from um the

994
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,440
hillary clinton campaign who i won't

995
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,320
name here because

996
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,360
didn't you know any doesn't matter but

997
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,679
what a group of people were part of this

998
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,360
google hangouts meeting

999
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:54,000
and like what the hell were they doing

1000
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,799
there

1001
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,840
and you know tom follows up that google

1002
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,080
hangouts meeting writing another email

1003
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,760
to podesta saying like

1004
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,559
you know this general general mccaslin

1005
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,000
he says he's a skeptic

1006
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,040
trust me he's not you know and again

1007
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,480
that sounds a lot

1008
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,200
very consistent with what tom said on

1009
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,839
kroq about like playing people off each

1010
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,280
other

1011
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,560
or like it it's hard to establish a

1012
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,800
timeline it's like tom was this

1013
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,240
was this an instance of you playing

1014
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,560
people off each other or

1015
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,879
were you actually in communication with

1016
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,200
this general who fed you this story like

1017
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,679
it's very difficult to get a handle on

1018
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,200
all this but

1019
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,679
the reason why i think it's important is

1020
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,639
i look at like

1021
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,760
basic questions that you ask going into

1022
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,119
anything

1023
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,720
and you look at important details it's

1024
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,960
like okay tom was certainly

1025
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,240
you know in communication with these

1026
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:50,480
people um let's go

1027
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,839
find out let's go talk to mccaslin

1028
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,359
right and look i've tried i've

1029
00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:00,240
i have done everything within my power

1030
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,200
as a

1031
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:04,720
uh not journalist uh and not huge you

1032
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,040
know

1033
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:07,440
person uh i've done everything i can to

1034
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,320
try to get

1035
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,960
something out of mccaslin because my

1036
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:11,920
view is

1037
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,839
it's like either either tom's story is

1038
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,040
true uh

1039
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,480
you know and that would be interesting

1040
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,240
maybe we get like a no comment

1041
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:22,560
on adam mccasland you know he just says

1042
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:23,520
nothing

1043
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:26,640
or alternatively everything here that

1044
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,040
tom

1045
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,160
said in these emails is horseshit um and

1046
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:32,400
mccaslin is hiding from the whole thing

1047
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,720
and

1048
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,640
not wanting to say anything because

1049
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,240
honestly he doesn't want his name any

1050
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,640
any more tarnished than it already is by

1051
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:41,839
this his attachment to this entire story

1052
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:44,880
either way this is an important uh

1053
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,160
piece of the puzzle to like we need to

1054
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,000
know one way or the other and

1055
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,920
my argument's mccaslin if he's out there

1056
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,800
somewhere listening it's like dude

1057
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,400
i'm not the only one who's gonna ask

1058
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,760
this question i'm not the only person

1059
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,440
who's going to who's going to

1060
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:02,880
send you messages on facebook right

1061
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,320
um and in fact i would argue even after

1062
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,320
he you know passes away people are going

1063
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:10,960
to keep like this is how ufo mythology

1064
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:11,440
works

1065
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,800
this stuff sticks forever it's like if

1066
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,040
you have something to say about this

1067
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,960
it would be really good for you to come

1068
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:20,160
out and say something about it because

1069
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:20,560
it

1070
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,680
right that is just kind of hanging out

1071
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,760
there and it will just become part

1072
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,480
and incorporated with the larger ufo

1073
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:31,599
mythology

1074
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,040
unless it does get cleared up so um

1075
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,720
i would hope that journalists will you

1076
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,320
know reach out to mccasland

1077
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,440
and and i would hope that mccasland

1078
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:44,000
understands why it's important for him

1079
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,960
to

1080
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:47,200
say something one way or the other about

1081
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,160
this

1082
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,000
you bring up so many good points zack

1083
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,400
especially the fact that like um

1084
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:55,040
in you're right in ufology you will

1085
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,920
become

1086
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,079
like a myth when it comes to this so

1087
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,520
it's like if you really want to be known

1088
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,440
as the general who possibly

1089
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,760
you know was feeding tummed along a

1090
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:04,560
bunch of

1091
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,240
either [\h__\h] or truth um so be it

1092
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,200
if that wasn't true i wouldn't i i would

1093
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,800
want to disentangle that for people

1094
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,640
especially so and i really wanna

1095
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,720
not to interrupt but like i really wanna

1096
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,119
explain why i think it's important

1097
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:22,160
if i'm mccaslin and i see the last four

1098
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,119
years play out

1099
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,079
starting with to the stars academy to

1100
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,359
the

1101
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,560
uap

1102
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:32,480
briefings to now the pentagon has

1103
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,800
literally released a report on ufos

1104
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,000
this is important because it all started

1105
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,920
effectively with tom delong and the

1106
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,839
formation of to the stars academy and

1107
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,599
that core group of people

1108
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,680
that were part of to the stars academy

1109
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,200
right we've still got melon

1110
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,280
and elizondo and all these other people

1111
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,480
kind of in play

1112
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,680
continuing to talk about this so

1113
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,280
when i when i look at journalists kind

1114
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,040
of looking into this stuff

1115
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,400
i i am a bit critical because it's like

1116
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,720
no one is circling back and like going

1117
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:07,119
okay where did this start

1118
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,280
and can we trust any of this

1119
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,000
because i see a scenario that could it

1120
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,160
could be multiple things

1121
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,440
one of the hypotheses i have you know

1122
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,280
among many i personally think there's

1123
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:22,640
something to this

1124
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,320
but another hypothesis might be

1125
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,920
these are all people kind of chasing

1126
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,560
their own shadows you know

1127
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:33,280
um like you hear something from one

1128
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,920
person

1129
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:36,240
and you think it's good enough to follow

1130
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,960
up with

1131
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,839
action say you know there's there's a

1132
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,960
lot of stuff

1133
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,680
here and none of it's verifiable like

1134
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,560
none of it

1135
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,400
and i go i just i'm just like can we

1136
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:47,920
verify something

1137
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,280
just and and the mccaslin thing is like

1138
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,119
okay well here's the origin of to the

1139
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,480
stars academy tom

1140
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,560
said that this guy helped him assemble

1141
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,079
his advisory team

1142
00:39:01,349 --> 00:39:00,480
is that true it's like question one on

1143
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,359
the list

1144
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,280
right i've got a long list of questions

1145
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,880
but like this is the first one and

1146
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,160
somehow it's gone

1147
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:09,599
unaddressed for four freaking years

1148
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,359
anyway yeah that's why i care

1149
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:15,040
would you say brit yeah it's technically

1150
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,480
longer is that because i think there's

1151
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,520
emails like

1152
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,839
november yeah yeah five years october

1153
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:22,160
november uh 2016 says like yeah five

1154
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,960
years

1155
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,480
that brings up something really

1156
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:26,720
interesting too like we have to go back

1157
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,040
to

1158
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,760
um and i'm so glad you used chasing

1159
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,800
shadows zach

1160
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,040
um obviously being the first book in

1161
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,359
this this series that tom

1162
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,359
sort of pitched to all these people

1163
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,720
dropped there yeah yeah

1164
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,000
good job my man you know what you're

1165
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,400
doing um but

1166
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,720
we don't even know because we know tom

1167
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,560
originally kind of compiled this

1168
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:49,280
advisory board with this possible

1169
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,079
general

1170
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,599
and um then the emails leaked and a lot

1171
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,119
of them got cold feet and were like i

1172
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,400
don't want to be a part of this anymore

1173
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,480
i'm out like my name i'm done

1174
00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,480
so like that's another big question too

1175
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:01,599
so is melon

1176
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,880
is elizondo are these people that he did

1177
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,640
eventually work with into the stars the

1178
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,920
actual people

1179
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,800
that the original general assembled we

1180
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,720
we don't even know that at this point

1181
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,560
unless i'm completely off base with that

1182
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,400
i don't know but it it seems like a lot

1183
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,560
of this really started with um

1184
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,480
secret machines which i think kind of

1185
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,839
took the back seat

1186
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,680
when all of this other stuff started

1187
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,880
happening with the navy

1188
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,599
ufo videos and everything it's kind of

1189
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,359
like his original pitch

1190
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,359
kind of went to the you know the back

1191
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,720
burner for a little bit

1192
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,720
and now look at where we are less than

1193
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:35,760
two years

1194
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,040
after to the start started it's already

1195
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:42,000
basically gone so um yeah i don't know

1196
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,520
is that something anyone else wants to

1197
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:44,480
comment on

1198
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,520
we don't even know if this is the

1199
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:47,599
original people that tom was talking to

1200
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,880
that eventually ended up in the academy

1201
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,359
no you're right there's a ton of

1202
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,480
unknowns there

1203
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,359
and you know i'll share because i have

1204
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,880
followed up some on and i think zach

1205
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,800
brings up a very extremely significant

1206
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,599
point

1207
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,480
is understanding the origin of it yeah

1208
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:06,400
because it becomes problematic

1209
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,079
you know if you you don't look into that

1210
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,400
and you it requires you to just take the

1211
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,839
word of time along that that

1212
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,800
also requires you to begin digging into

1213
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,560
other things that he said and

1214
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,680
frankly tom said a lot of crazy [\h__\h]

1215
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,760
uh you know if anybody's watched the joe

1216
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,440
rogan interview anything like that

1217
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,960
and so you have to start saying well is

1218
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,560
that true is this true

1219
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:31,359
so you know trying to to shift through

1220
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,400
all of that

1221
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,520
is a difficult venture uh

1222
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,520
and especially when you've got this

1223
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,440
other real thing that uh you know the

1224
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,560
government's talking about they're

1225
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:42,079
releasing reports about but then you've

1226
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,040
got all this other

1227
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,920
other stuff mixed in but uh you know i

1228
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,440
did dig into it some

1229
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,480
and i will say that only in background

1230
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:52,880
conversations nobody wanted to

1231
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,079
speak on the record um for various

1232
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,000
reasons and you know one of them

1233
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,400
oftentimes being because if anybody

1234
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,839
who's actively employed by the

1235
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,880
department of defense

1236
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,960
uh whether they're active duty military

1237
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,880
or civilian they they can't

1238
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,400
you know they're not supposed to talk to

1239
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:09,920
reporters

1240
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,800
they get a lot of trouble but uh no one

1241
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,520
shared

1242
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:16,319
you know no one has ever corroborated

1243
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,200
tom's story

1244
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,640
to me no one has ever you know made it

1245
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,440
sound

1246
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,040
has been

1247
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:28,079
told to me that tom uh you know is very

1248
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:28,480
much

1249
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,309
there's no secret sauce to how i get a

1250
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:35,760
hold of people it's just like what tom

1251
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,079
did

1252
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,079
which is reaching out to people you know

1253
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,560
if you ask enough people somebody says

1254
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:42,240
yes and you just kind of work your way

1255
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,280
there and i think

1256
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:46,480
that uh to some extent i'll say you know

1257
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,839
just now complain devil's advocate here

1258
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,200
and speaking on his

1259
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,880
speaking on his benefit that it wasn't

1260
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,480
as nefarious as it might have sounded in

1261
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,599
the interview where he said he was

1262
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,280
playing people off of each other

1263
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,680
you know that's what journalists do is

1264
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,560
if you can get

1265
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:03,119
you know i if you you can email somebody

1266
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,400
and say hey i've been chatting with john

1267
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:06,160
podesta and so i was wondering if i can

1268
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,119
chat with you

1269
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,960
this type of thing because it's uh

1270
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,640
nobody wants to be the first person to

1271
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,000
talk to the press

1272
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,000
but they don't mind if others have and

1273
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,079
so that it could be just simply that

1274
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,599
um just about all journalists do that um

1275
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:22,240
but everybody has kind of shared it that

1276
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,200
uh

1277
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,040
tom was just really good at reaching out

1278
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:26,880
to lots of people you know he

1279
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,839
he is you know you know even though brit

1280
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:31,839
what do you say a child of the 2000s i

1281
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,319
feel

1282
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,400
very old right now because i grew up

1283
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,280
with uh well

1284
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:40,480
but you know she's right on the cusp

1285
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,040
yeah i

1286
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,160
i feel you right yeah all right well i

1287
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:46,079
can still remember being in high school

1288
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,200
jamming out the blank

1289
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,319
and you know me too i'm with you tom

1290
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,319
tom's got a name out there so it's not

1291
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,680
just a random person

1292
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,760
and and so he reaches out you know it

1293
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,119
was shared to me that

1294
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,000
at least initially a lot of people hey

1295
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:01,599
you know hey it's time long i know this

1296
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,400
dude you know

1297
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:05,200
and uh that this was a project very much

1298
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,839
like you said

1299
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,359
the impetus behind it was the secret

1300
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,359
machines it was this intermixing of

1301
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:10,640
fiction

1302
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:14,560
story what's supposed to be the truth

1303
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,599
through fiction format and so

1304
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,599
a lot of these people who initially

1305
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,280
spoke to tom were under this impression

1306
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:23,280
that they were just giving advice for

1307
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:26,720
a fictional movie or book

1308
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:30,480
right which afforded them the ability to

1309
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,119
use fictional stuff and and

1310
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,319
that's not to say there that tom

1311
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:40,480
you know is overtly lying to anybody

1312
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,680
that's what you know i i

1313
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,359
i end up saying this a lot to people is

1314
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,359
that the truth tends to be very mundane

1315
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,240
and it's not nearly as sophisticated and

1316
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,359
there's not this grand

1317
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:52,000
scheme that often people think is that

1318
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,480
uh

1319
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,560
you know tom very well could have gone

1320
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,880
into some of these meetings saying hey

1321
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,400
i want to write this book and make it

1322
00:45:01,109 --> 00:45:00,319
really realistic it's about ufos and

1323
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,119
everything and

1324
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,280
and uh you know can you give me some

1325
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,440
advice and pointers wink wink

1326
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,280
and he's thinking what they're telling

1327
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,680
me they're saying it's for the book

1328
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,200
but they're just saying that because

1329
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,960
they can't really you know break

1330
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,800
security of wink wink

1331
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,920
meanwhile they're on the other side

1332
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:18,960
going oh why is this dude keep winking

1333
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,510
it was a punk rocker you know yeah lived

1334
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,359
a rocker lifestyle

1335
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,400
um and so yeah i mean that's kind of the

1336
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,280
way

1337
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:33,760
that everybody that i've spoken to about

1338
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,319
it

1339
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,880
has has said but like zack says until

1340
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,160
somebody's willing to go on the record

1341
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,680
for this is just me telling you what

1342
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,359
somebody's told me whether anybody wants

1343
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,520
that or not yeah fine i don't expect

1344
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,560
anybody to

1345
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,400
and i agree that kind of some clarity

1346
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,680
here would be good

1347
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,760
i understand at least initially some of

1348
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,680
the people i spoke to this was when

1349
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,920
ttsa was more together and you had

1350
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:55,040
mellon and

1351
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:58,160
uh steve justice and and elizondo there

1352
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,359
so maybe they didn't want to

1353
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,480
[\h__\h] on those people's new employer but

1354
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,720
that's kind of dissolved and so i think

1355
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,960
either just getting some truth there and

1356
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,560
and i think because that's what becomes

1357
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,359
very frustrating with all of this

1358
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,400
is that you have something that i think

1359
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,520
is legitimately interesting here when

1360
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,160
the government's

1361
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,480
releasing reports saying that you know

1362
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,760
144

1363
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,000
incidences i don't really give a [\h__\h] if

1364
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,240
it's only one of those instances

1365
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,400
that's got something really exotic like

1366
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,839
that's enough for me i know people want

1367
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,520
to argue on twitter about

1368
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,680
you know whether the 2019 events were

1369
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,599
drones or ufos i'm like i don't give a

1370
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,280
[\h__\h] i only need one

1371
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,560
one of them is interesting it's

1372
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,400
worthwhile of scrutiny

1373
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,599
and so when you've got 144 of them and

1374
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,359
then they're mentioning you know a

1375
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,880
handful that have very interesting

1376
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:51,280
characteristics i'm like that's really

1377
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,319
fascinating

1378
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,200
but it's hard to dig into just that and

1379
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,520
get everybody to kind of focus on that

1380
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,800
because there's all these other little

1381
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,200
pig trails that go down there and so

1382
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,319
yeah very nice to get clarity whether

1383
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,440
it's mccaslin

1384
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,599
whether it's ggsa whether it's geelong

1385
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:09,359
so we can just sweep that to the side no

1386
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,240
hard feelings

1387
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,319
you know like i'm not mad if it's all a

1388
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,480
big misunderstanding but let's

1389
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,400
kind of get through that because if not

1390
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:18,800
even if it's just that one interesting

1391
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:22,240
something it gets lost in the past

1392
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,790
so mccaslin would say it's like a

1393
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:32,480
fiction book right that he was working

1394
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,119
with but

1395
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,640
you know there's some conflictions there

1396
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,880
right um just uh

1397
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,880
assuming that he is talking about the

1398
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,480
password in this particular email to

1399
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,599
podesta

1400
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,559
um and it said the title of the email is

1401
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,240
podesta and ufos right

1402
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,559
now part of this uh email he says

1403
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,480
because of his maturity on the topic

1404
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,720
he is consistently given important

1405
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,720
information to help communicate

1406
00:47:58,990 --> 00:47:57,280
he helped me create my thesis three

1407
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,000
secret machines

1408
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,280
non-fiction books coming out after the

1409
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,160
novel

1410
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,400
and that the thesis is what gained my

1411
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,480
friendship with the very important

1412
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:09,280
general from wright patterson that was

1413
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:09,760
on

1414
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,359
our call so i you know i can't help but

1415
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:15,119
to assume like zach said earlier i mean

1416
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,520
there's just

1417
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,920
the the language there right it causes

1418
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,000
you to just assume that he is talking

1419
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,040
about mccaslin right so

1420
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,440
you know that part right there right

1421
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,800
that that's what we really

1422
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:30,079
need like transparency and clarification

1423
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,760
like i understand like

1424
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,200
it kind of sucks to get your name out

1425
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,960
there to the public because some russian

1426
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,559
hacker group decided to hack john

1427
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,680
podesta and this

1428
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,839
famous rock star just kept naming up in

1429
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,920
your just like put you in there like i

1430
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:43,440
did it right like i would do the same

1431
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,920
because

1432
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,200
you're like i don't want to go out i had

1433
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:47,359
nothing to do with this but

1434
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,880
thank you assange you know like

1435
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:53,760
especially with this topic going on the

1436
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,240
news

1437
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,160
becoming a thing congress is talking

1438
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,200
about it no obviously it's a big deal so

1439
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,800
i mean you're going to have people

1440
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:02,400
especially people like us who like to

1441
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:03,440
dig

1442
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:07,680
really deep just be like what is this

1443
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,119
and like yeah i really just come out

1444
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,200
clearly i know a little bit i think

1445
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,880
we're all on the same page that like

1446
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:17,040
just one comment from mccaslin would be

1447
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,240
enough to kind of

1448
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:21,200
put a lot of this um i guess speculation

1449
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,240
to rest but

1450
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,160
the big frustrating thing for me and

1451
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,760
this is since the beginning

1452
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:28,000
of when he did all this was the whole

1453
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:29,200
approach of

1454
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,640
half fiction half truth because god damn

1455
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,000
welcome to you followed you

1456
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,119
we that's what we deal with is two lies

1457
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:38,559
between the truth

1458
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,839
and the minute he said that i was like

1459
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,680
we're never gonna know what's true

1460
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,200
that's not and tom was like

1461
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:48,000
ufo people read between the lines i know

1462
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,400
you guys

1463
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,480
read between the lines my whole plan

1464
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,240
here

1465
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,880
like professionally exactly what has

1466
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:55,839
already been done

1467
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,839
for 70 years by everybody right

1468
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,839
which is not but and i think you know

1469
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:03,359
the other big the important thing and i

1470
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,000
think tim

1471
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:07,040
stresses most is that tom is not he's a

1472
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,240
smart person

1473
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,800
and you're right i think the way that he

1474
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,400
worked these people

1475
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,800
isn't so much deceptive but it's what

1476
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,920
someone would do

1477
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,400
and it's what they do for a living a lot

1478
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,520
of these people i mean

1479
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,599
elizondo is a nice guy but you can't

1480
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,200
tell me that he has not

1481
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,440
spun things he has not manipulated

1482
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,400
things uh

1483
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,520
that was his job um so i i think it's

1484
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,200
really interesting tom like

1485
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,520
he he went into the lion's den and he

1486
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,960
played their game and

1487
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,119
like whether you like it or not um and i

1488
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,800
want to get your guys thoughts on this

1489
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,200
uh where where we stand with everything

1490
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:42,720
today but zach what were you gonna say

1491
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:43,440
man

1492
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,440
um well the cajones on tom so like i

1493
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,920
full credit to tom regardless whether

1494
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,640
this is

1495
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,480
true or [\h__\h] or whatever um

1496
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,319
the fact that he went in and did the

1497
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:58,000
things that he did let's say for the

1498
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,119
sake of argument

1499
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,880
that it's true like he was just playing

1500
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,200
people off each other

1501
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,589
from the story for me um it actually

1502
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,200
makes it

1503
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,200
even more more funny or interesting or

1504
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,359
whatever because here's the thing

1505
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,680
here's the thing regardless whether or

1506
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,559
not this this general mccaslin actually

1507
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,800
like sincerely believe the things that

1508
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,400
he supposedly told tom

1509
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,240
or if that was bs like it doesn't really

1510
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:27,680
matter

1511
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,559
here we are several years later and the

1512
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:31,920
government has now

1513
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,200
issued a report on uap and anybody who's

1514
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,720
been following this for the last you

1515
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,280
know four or five years it's like

1516
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,520
you you can draw a straight line between

1517
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,520
ttsa and all the stuff that tom delong

1518
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:44,960
was doing early on

1519
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,839
to now the people who are involved and

1520
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,760
literally lobbying the government are

1521
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:50,640
all the same

1522
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,000
people kudos to you tom

1523
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:57,359
like my thing is

1524
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,559
i i just want to disentangle the

1525
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,440
the complete crap from what's really

1526
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,000
interesting

1527
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,200
here because it's important

1528
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,559
if if the government found a life form

1529
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,920
during the cold war

1530
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,640
or not right and the only person who can

1531
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,359
clarify

1532
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,559
this at this point and you know

1533
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,720
if look and if tom made that up or

1534
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,040
whatever like i feel for you mccaslin

1535
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,119
i wouldn't want to come forward either

1536
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,720
but man like

1537
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,720
with the given the severity of the issue

1538
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,400
and the gravity of what's currently

1539
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,800
playing out in the media

1540
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:35,040
now would be a good time is kind of the

1541
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,160
argument that i would make

1542
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:38,160
and and again it's like you don't want

1543
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:39,920
to comment on this you don't want to

1544
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,030
there's no downside to him coming out at

1545
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:52,800
this point other than like

1546
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,400
it's embarrassing tom like okay

1547
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,400
yeah maybe they are besties now we don't

1548
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,640
really know but like right

1549
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,319
zach you're so right and like great you

1550
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:03,839
came around when

1551
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:06,640
like with the 60 minutes stuff and like

1552
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,359
even the

1553
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,200
the report just coming out and the

1554
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,960
primary focus being

1555
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,680
to shed the stigma and ridicule of

1556
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,280
military personnel

1557
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,480
reporting uap events and like that's a

1558
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,599
huge admission and a huge switch from

1559
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,200
what they have done in the past

1560
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,599
so like that's awesome and you would

1561
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,599
hope that something like that would make

1562
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,280
people like mccaslin be like

1563
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,760
oh maybe yeah maybe it's okay that i

1564
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:32,880
like say that i

1565
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,160
put tom in touch with people and hey tom

1566
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,079
everything tom said would it could be

1567
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,240
true yeah these are emails that like

1568
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,400
nobody wanted coming out right

1569
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:45,440
yeah i i don't know i have to infer i

1570
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,079
have to make

1571
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,880
guesses here this is the thing and why i

1572
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,119
would like mccaslin to talk it's like

1573
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,520
i don't want to guess if there's you

1574
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,920
know either come out with a no comment

1575
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:57,760
if there's some truth to it

1576
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,119
or come out with a comment saying hey uh

1577
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:03,520
tom reached out for a fictional ufo book

1578
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,319
and

1579
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,359
he's tom fricken's along of course i

1580
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:08,640
talked to him

1581
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,000
like you know like

1582
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,640
yeah either one of those is cool with me

1583
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,319
my point is like

1584
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,280
again i like to i like to go into the

1585
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,720
origins of things and

1586
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,200
and understand things as best as i can

1587
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,880
and when something sticks out like a

1588
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,040
sore thumb like this mccaslin thing

1589
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:29,440
again that adds all this credibility for

1590
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,079
people

1591
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,559
to the whole story it's like we really

1592
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,359
got to work this out because

1593
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,079
regardless whether it's bs or not we

1594
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,599
still have elizondo

1595
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,000
we still have melon we still have these

1596
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,000
people coming going around in the media

1597
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,400
we sell them lobbying government and

1598
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:49,280
an actual at least two that i'm aware of

1599
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,920
you it

1600
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:52,480
classified uap briefings that were given

1601
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,680
to senators

1602
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,079
on top and then in the top of that it's

1603
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,920
like we got this report

1604
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,559
90 pages of which are classified this

1605
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:02,319
actually all has happened because

1606
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,559
of these people so but it's important to

1607
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,760
establish these

1608
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,599
these these these facts about what

1609
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,880
happened early on

1610
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,280
i think in order to be able to

1611
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,359
disentangle the rest of the story

1612
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,440
if that makes any sense absolutely man

1613
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,880
well and i think um

1614
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,720
that brings us to current day which is

1615
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,720
two follow-up questions i want to ask

1616
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,559
you guys is um

1617
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,520
you know tom has been kind of quiet

1618
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:29,359
about everything going on right now with

1619
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,000
the uap

1620
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:32,160
report and this and that and you would

1621
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,280
think he would be like

1622
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,359
kind of taking credit for like i got i

1623
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,520
know he's put some tweets out like

1624
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,680
this was because of the stars this that

1625
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,520
um but he seems to have been unusually

1626
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,799
quiet with that maybe it's because he's

1627
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,559
focusing on the entertainment

1628
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,480
side of things with his band and his

1629
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:48,160
movies um but

1630
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,760
my question for you is uh do you guys

1631
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,760
think and i maybe this is going out on a

1632
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,119
limb do you think

1633
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:58,079
the plan all along was like to get tom

1634
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,400
to

1635
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,680
dissolve

1636
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,720
like you see you got steve justice went

1637
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,040
and is now working for virgin galactic

1638
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:09,200
you got elizondo starting a startup

1639
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,680
company

1640
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,920
like they all kind of came in did their

1641
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,599
thing and now they're all leaving

1642
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:16,319
and kind of leaving tom in the dust

1643
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,040
alone

1644
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,960
with all this so like do you think this

1645
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:20,640
was some sort of concerted effort to

1646
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,359
like

1647
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,960
dissolve this company that he had these

1648
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,119
big grand plans for all along or

1649
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,280
am i going really out on a conspiracy

1650
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,200
with that

1651
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:32,480
i don't think be honest be honest well i

1652
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,119
i think

1653
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,240
that considering you know yeah

1654
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,000
you got to consider it so i don't think

1655
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:39,760
it just seems odd to me that they would

1656
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,079
all

1657
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,040
just leave this company that like they

1658
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,799
seem to be so dedicated to at the

1659
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,680
beginning

1660
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,440
i don't know what do you think tim yeah

1661
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,040
yeah i mean i don't think it's

1662
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,799
weird but it doesn't have to be as

1663
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,400
conspiratorial or kind of

1664
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:54,960
again nefarious as it sounds i think

1665
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,440
that

1666
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,760
if uh you know let's say you're you're

1667
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,720
luila zondo

1668
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,200
you're uh chris mellon you're steve

1669
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,720
justice and the rest of them

1670
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,440
and you legitimately believe that there

1671
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,640
are

1672
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,799
to this ufo subject you you recognize

1673
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:10,319
that there's evidence that maybe hasn't

1674
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:11,440
been presented

1675
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,640
you feel like it needs to be taken

1676
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,880
seriously uh i think

1677
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,520
you know and and zach's right in terms

1678
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:18,799
of and i don't want anybody to think

1679
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,119
that

1680
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,520
uh i'm bashing to long by any means when

1681
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,200
i said that he said some crazy [\h__\h]

1682
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,359
you know hopefully he'd agree with me uh

1683
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,400
but

1684
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,559
he is very successful businessman and

1685
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,559
he's very successful and i think that

1686
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,000
when it comes down to how he was

1687
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:33,520
successful and kind of getting to meet

1688
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:34,799
these people it shows

1689
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,760
his savvy in business and it shows that

1690
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,440
he's been successful not just in the

1691
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:41,200
band that he helped form with blink with

1692
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,480
82 but his

1693
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,319
after that his career his other ventures

1694
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,160
he's successful

1695
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,400
and and but one thing he is is he's loud

1696
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,079
and he draws a lot of attention

1697
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,280
and there's something to be said about

1698
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,839
the crazy [\h__\h] he says you know uh you

1699
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:57,760
know what other interviews did

1700
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,359
did joe rogan do in november of 2017

1701
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:04,240
i don't know i know he interviewed tom

1702
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,520
delonge

1703
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:08,000
because of what he said and so it

1704
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,640
generates

1705
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,319
a significant amount of attention

1706
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,799
however once you get that attention

1707
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,720
uh if you're going to bring it into the

1708
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,359
realm of legitimacy and you're having

1709
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,839
actual briefings with uh elected

1710
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,640
lawmakers

1711
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,400
and here you're seeing it from the joint

1712
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,760
chiefs and the secretary of defense and

1713
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:24,880
these people

1714
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,920
uh suddenly you know the guy who's the

1715
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:28,880
leader of the company

1716
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,839
tweeting about alien antarctic bases and

1717
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:33,680
nazi conspiracies that's not

1718
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,799
really conducive and that's not gonna no

1719
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:38,480
longer is it good you've gotten that

1720
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,200
attention

1721
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,920
so uh i don't think it has to be kind of

1722
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,640
a grand

1723
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,400
crazy conspiracy i know a lot of people

1724
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,480
think that this is and some of those

1725
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:48,640
theories quite frankly have been

1726
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,920
uh you know helped fostered by by

1727
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,640
delong himself that there's more of a

1728
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,359
you know

1729
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,760
government organized kind of involvement

1730
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,960
in this and

1731
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,960
bringing about a disclosure with a

1732
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:02,160
capital d

1733
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:04,720
uh but i don't think it has to be that

1734
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,440
per se

1735
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,520
in in an organized government fashion i

1736
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,119
think if you're you're

1737
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,440
savvy and you know how to strategize

1738
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,960
things well which uh

1739
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,480
i think is i don't think anybody would

1740
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,200
argue that uh somebody like chris mellon

1741
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,559
is very good at and so i don't think tom

1742
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,640
you know for a long time i was like a

1743
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,240
lot of people like what the hell are

1744
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,319
these people doing with tom delong

1745
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:29,920
but it generated a ton of attention

1746
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,640
uh and i'm not so sure that that same

1747
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:34,079
type of attention could have been

1748
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:34,880
achieved by

1749
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,599
any one of those individuals uh without

1750
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:38,720
time

1751
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:41,520
oh that's such a such a good point tim

1752
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,240
um

1753
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,640
the fact that we are where we are today

1754
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,040
like we got an official pentagon report

1755
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:49,040
maybe it wasn't what we all wanted or

1756
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,400
expected but like

1757
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,480
this all built up to something that i

1758
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:54,880
don't think even tom de long

1759
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,799
saw happening he probably thought that a

1760
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:58,319
lot of this was gonna happen with his

1761
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:59,280
company

1762
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:00,559
and like he was going to build a

1763
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,040
spaceship an anti-gravity spaceship

1764
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,760
and uh fly off to mars like mission

1765
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,839
accomplished man that's freaking awesome

1766
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,040
but like

1767
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,359
look at where we are today and like i i

1768
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,599
do and i've wanted to say this for a

1769
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,440
really long time and i haven't just

1770
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:18,160
come out and said it but like thank you

1771
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,119
tom dewon

1772
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,920
like literally just thank you for what

1773
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:22,559
you did

1774
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:25,680
and like kind of putting putting it all

1775
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,319
out there

1776
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
and um he had a lot to lose with this

1777
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,960
with his reputation and whatnot

1778
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,559
and say what you want about where he is

1779
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,400
now and everything but like

1780
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,880
he really got a lot of this into motion

1781
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,599
and

1782
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:40,160
you know maybe mccaslin as well but i

1783
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:40,640
don't know

1784
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:45,760
how much have you had to drink ryan man

1785
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:52,789
welcome to tom the long fanboy i don't

1786
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,119
know

1787
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,240
dude i like it if i was mccaslin

1788
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,400
and if you're listening out there

1789
01:01:03,030 --> 01:00:59,839
general

1790
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,040
i just respond to zach

1791
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,319
all you have to do yes is please say

1792
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:09,520
yeah one line it was the cold war and we

1793
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,880
found a life form

1794
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:14,079
period sin and that like never answer

1795
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:15,440
another one like how awesome would that

1796
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:15,839
be

1797
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,559
oh my god if anyone could get it out of

1798
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:20,400
him i think it would be zach for sure

1799
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,920
dude i said to a very long heartfelt uh

1800
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,119
message on facebook

1801
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:27,119
you know just letting him know like look

1802
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,640
this stuff's really important to me

1803
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,240
here's why

1804
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,440
and uh you know for him i don't think

1805
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,880
it's i don't think it is that big of a

1806
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:36,720
deal to be honest i think

1807
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,160
i agree yeah i think that probably for

1808
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:41,599
him he's probably like i don't

1809
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,240
i don't think a lot about this and like

1810
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,319
i'd rather just get away from it

1811
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:49,359
um this is a total guess on my part but

1812
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,720
i that you know i um

1813
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:55,440
i still think it's important because

1814
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,480
again this is

1815
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:58,720
this is my wannabe journalist coming out

1816
01:02:02,309 --> 01:01:59,599
i guess

1817
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:02,319
just establish the the basic facts here

1818
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:02,799
and

1819
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,079
of other

1820
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,240
really interesting things about those

1821
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:09,680
emails that we haven't really even

1822
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:10,640
gotten into

1823
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,480
um oh yeah do you mind yeah well give us

1824
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:15,520
a couple of key points

1825
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:18,960
uh look hillary clinton is the one who

1826
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:22,000
introduced us to the term uap now

1827
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,440
that's not the first time the term was

1828
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,280
used but it was certainly the first time

1829
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:27,119
that the american public it was it was

1830
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,640
put in the zeitgeist

1831
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,960
of the american public was she said it

1832
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,720
on jimmy kimmel's show

1833
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,520
well who was the advisor to hillary

1834
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:37,680
clinton it was john podesta who was tom

1835
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,400
talking to

1836
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:41,440
john podesta there's a lot of stuff here

1837
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,839
right

1838
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,839
and and hillary by the way was talking

1839
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:44,880
about this issue

1840
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:47,680
not just like once but like five or six

1841
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,319
times

1842
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,680
where she brought up ufos in the uap

1843
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:54,160
issue and talking about yeah we're gonna

1844
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:55,280
get the files

1845
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,039
she said the same thing that her husband

1846
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,039
said right and

1847
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,440
was she doing that to give votes doesn't

1848
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,400
seem like a great

1849
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:05,039
uh you know i don't know i don't know

1850
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:06,640
what the calculus is on that

1851
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:10,799
um is the ufo vote huge i doubt it

1852
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,160
i bet it's like actually the other way

1853
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,480
right right and and so it's interesting

1854
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:18,319
to me just looking at the people who

1855
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,119
were involved

1856
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,839
john podesta um there were a couple

1857
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,200
other people involved with the hillary

1858
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:25,119
clinton campaign that tom was emailing

1859
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:25,839
with

1860
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:28,960
and you know the insinuation has been

1861
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:31,119
from that whole group of people that

1862
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,880
like hillary was going to be the

1863
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,640
disclosure president

1864
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,799
she was going to be the one to like to

1865
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,039
do this and nobody thought

1866
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:42,000
that that it was even remotely possible

1867
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:42,799
that

1868
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,799
trump could win right you know we're not

1869
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,880
going to get political but like

1870
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,720
nobody thought it was pop these people

1871
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,920
did not think it was possible they

1872
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:51,520
thought hillary was going to be the one

1873
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:54,319
and the a bunch of people surrounding

1874
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,039
her

1875
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:58,319
were ufo believers okay these are

1876
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,119
high-level

1877
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:01,680
people in government right it's

1878
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,559
interesting

1879
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,559
well zed i have to make note of it

1880
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,160
that's such a good point and i think tim

1881
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,000
i think it might have actually been you

1882
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:10,720
that i heard maybe on micah hanks show

1883
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:13,839
um or some something similar saying

1884
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:16,319
where we would be in all where we we

1885
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:16,960
would be

1886
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,160
in all of this had hillary become

1887
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:23,119
president and not trump and i tim was it

1888
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,599
you

1889
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,680
that said like we would probably be a

1890
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:26,880
lot further

1891
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:29,760
had hillary won then i don't know was am

1892
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,160
i wrong

1893
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,640
was it yeah it wasn't me and okay i

1894
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:33,920
don't know i don't i don't know

1895
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:40,309
thank you thanks for confusing me i know

1896
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,920
i'm so sorry man

1897
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:43,760
i'm leaving now no i'm just just kidding

1898
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:44,960
see you if you're listening

1899
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,000
uh ryan's getting oh yeah i'll bring a

1900
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:50,240
new wrinkle up into all of that you know

1901
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:51,119
because i don't think it's been

1902
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:52,319
discussed by anybody

1903
01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:54,160
but i think it's it goes into what

1904
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:56,590
zack's saying here

1905
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,029
hey guys ryan spreck here when i'm not

1906
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,559
making podcasts i

1907
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:07,359
am listening to them seriously i'm

1908
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,319
obsessed

1909
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:10,880
and if there's one person and one show i

1910
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:11,599
turn to

1911
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:14,160
every week to hear stories of the

1912
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:14,880
strange

1913
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:17,920
the weird and the unexplained it's of

1914
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:18,480
course

1915
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,760
gotta be jim harold's campfire with over

1916
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,359
500 episodes

1917
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:26,160
den of geek called jim herald's campfire

1918
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:26,720
the

1919
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,680
best tool we have currently in existence

1920
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:31,839
to hear real-life scary stories

1921
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:34,880
from other human beings since the actual

1922
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,079
campfire was invented the concept

1923
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,240
is pretty simple jim talks to other

1924
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:42,640
regular folks and strange stuff that's

1925
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:43,760
happened to them

1926
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:47,440
and yes that includes ufos and uaps

1927
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,559
along with cryptids ghosts and true

1928
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,880
head scratching mysteries one of my

1929
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:54,960
all-time favorite stories is one where a

1930
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,520
woman almost ended up being absorbed

1931
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,400
by a painting in a mysterious bar that

1932
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,520
seemed like something

1933
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,160
straight out of the twilight zone or

1934
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,920
there's the story of a young man who

1935
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:06,880
encountered a

1936
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,319
spider-like creature with baby hands

1937
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,319
then there's the story of a woman in

1938
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:14,559
england who encountered what she thought

1939
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:17,359
was a banshee only to suffer a horrible

1940
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:18,240
tragedy

1941
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:21,599
only moments later no not all

1942
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:24,160
of the stories in jim harold's campfire

1943
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,359
are horrifying

1944
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,680
some are actually pretty heartwarming

1945
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,079
like a visit from a past loved one

1946
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,440
or a peaceful near-death experience

1947
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,680
regardless there are true and

1948
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,599
fascinating stories told

1949
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:40,000
by ordinary people who've had

1950
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:41,200
extraordinary

1951
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,039
experiences so pull up a virtual log

1952
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:48,000
get cozy and tune in to jim harold's

1953
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:49,119
campfire

1954
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,400
available on apple podcasts spotify

1955
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:54,640
or wherever you listen to somewhere in

1956
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:01,359
the skies

1957
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,480
first and foremost where did those

1958
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:05,119
liquid weeks leaky

1959
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:08,319
okay where did those wiki leaks emails

1960
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,200
come from

1961
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:11,440
we know that they came from fancy bear

1962
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,559
which is uh

1963
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,960
gru and the russia's you know hacker

1964
01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:16,400
group okay

1965
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:19,400
um so they hacked those emails in early

1966
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,720
2016.

1967
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:22,480
they didn't publish them on wikileaks

1968
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:24,559
until what was it the fall

1969
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:28,559
of uh 16 yeah right before the election

1970
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:29,599
yeah right okay

1971
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:32,480
so like days or not even hours i think

1972
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:33,039
yeah

1973
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,599
information warfare strategy but they

1974
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:39,119
had those early on

1975
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,640
and if you go back and look at early on

1976
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:45,039
shortly after they obtained those emails

1977
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,640
look into russians

1978
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,720
russia's english language news outlets

1979
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:50,480
so rt and sputnik

1980
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,319
they started pumping pumping

1981
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,440
ufo tabloid news into english

1982
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,760
reading markets they were dumping it

1983
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:00,960
hardcore

1984
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,760
in fact you can even find uh one foreign

1985
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:04,799
policy

1986
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:08,319
uh journalist commenting early summer

1987
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,359
2016

1988
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,359
saying what the hell is going on with

1989
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,720
russia and ufos

1990
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,240
they've become obsessed and they're

1991
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,760
dumping it on the american public so

1992
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,759
they knew it was going to be something

1993
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,839
which is very intriguing to all of it

1994
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:21,440
and i think the other side of all of

1995
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,239
that as well

1996
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:26,080
is and what comes into not just mccaslin

1997
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:27,440
clarifying some things

1998
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,199
but also podesta uh tom delong

1999
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,359
and a lot of other people is that one

2000
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:35,520
thing that plays through my mind

2001
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,319
is that uh you know part of how russia's

2002
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:40,880
information warfare campaigns go through

2003
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:44,640
is their masters at adding things in

2004
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:48,000
uh they did it when the um the snowden

2005
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,679
leaks when you see the snowden leaks

2006
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,520
everything in the entire snowden leaks

2007
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,799
was was

2008
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,279
uh capabilities you know what the nsa

2009
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:57,440
can do all these hacking capabilities

2010
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,120
only one single file

2011
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,080
showed operations and that was them uh

2012
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:06,880
listening in and spying on uh

2013
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,359
german chancellor angela markle there

2014
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:11,199
was only operational file in there

2015
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,199
and so that uh you know it's never been

2016
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,960
confirmed but that's been reported that

2017
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,560
russia just added that in

2018
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,080
now that was probably a legitimate

2019
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,000
intelligence intercept on their part

2020
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:24,560
but they're notorious for adding things

2021
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:25,199
in

2022
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,880
yeah they did it you know the kgb was

2023
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:32,239
masters at this where they would

2024
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,440
actually get

2025
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,480
legitimate classified information cables

2026
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,000
and different things from

2027
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,839
the u.s and then they would just add

2028
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,040
little things in

2029
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,040
amongst actual classified information

2030
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,359
that they did it in

2031
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:48,159
the mid to late 80s with information

2032
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,799
saying that

2033
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,480
the united states had nukes hidden in

2034
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:52,000
different cities across the world and

2035
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,520
all this kind of stuff total [\h__\h]

2036
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,800
but everything around it

2037
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:57,120
was legitimate secrets well the

2038
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,400
government because they know

2039
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,640
i mean it's a great info warfare play

2040
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,760
because the government's not going to

2041
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,880
comment on anything

2042
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,320
they don't they've never commented on

2043
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:06,000
the the snowden leaks they don't comment

2044
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:07,360
on anything like that

2045
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,159
so they're not going to say without bs

2046
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,760
because that'll say everything else is

2047
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:13,120
legitimate right so they can

2048
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:15,920
deny talking about everything uh and so

2049
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,400
that's

2050
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:19,120
yeah that adds to the kind of mystique

2051
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,640
and intrigue here and that

2052
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,159
what i mentioned with that single source

2053
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,000
that we just have tom talking on behalf

2054
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,159
of conversations that we have with it

2055
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,120
is i think like zach said for me it's

2056
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,880
not just establishing what were those

2057
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,640
communications but are all of these

2058
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:34,800
communications legitimate

2059
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,600
because that is we we have to understand

2060
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,960
where that information

2061
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,360
came from and it did absolutely come

2062
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,760
from russian hackers it

2063
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,440
came from an information warfare

2064
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:47,840
campaign i'm so happy you brought that

2065
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,480
up man

2066
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,880
like look at what just the debrief just

2067
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,000
released too

2068
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,199
it was all these like kind of satirical

2069
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,600
things about the us being like calm down

2070
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,520
about the ufos guys

2071
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,480
um oh that's so telling then it's like

2072
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:04,560
this is all a counterintelligence sort

2073
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,679
of game i think

2074
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,600
china's playing right now russia and

2075
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,159
like who's really at the top of all this

2076
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,560
stuff going on in the us i don't know

2077
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,239
well no you're absolutely right and

2078
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,159
that's something that uh

2079
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,719
you know i'm actually working on my the

2080
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,239
next big piece

2081
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,080
uh guys let's hope the kremlin isn't

2082
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:24,239
listening but it has to do with that

2083
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,960
and um it has to do with russia's

2084
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,840
involvement

2085
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,920
in the ufo subject that they don't want

2086
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:31,120
to talk about

2087
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,360
know i'm not trying to like zach said

2088
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,480
we're not going to get political here so

2089
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,679
i don't want everybody to go oh it's the

2090
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,440
goddamn russian hoax again

2091
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:41,280
uh so i'm not blaming the russians for

2092
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,560
everything here

2093
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,480
uh and more importantly i'm blaming the

2094
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:46,320
criminal not the russian people they're

2095
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,120
great people

2096
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,400
it's their government it's mean uh but

2097
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,320
i would say that there's significant

2098
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,400
evidence that russia has been involved

2099
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,199
in some of the ufo mythology that we

2100
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:59,120
take as self-evident fact going back to

2101
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,239
the 1980s

2102
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:03,120
and so there goes not to add a new

2103
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,560
wrinkle into everything that you've got

2104
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:06,239
to parse through to figure out what is

2105
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:09,360
true and what isn't but how many ufo

2106
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,880
myths that we

2107
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:13,199
have accepted as fact now or we've

2108
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,320
played off as

2109
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,040
being illegitimate but they're hoaxes

2110
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,120
perpetrated by people we assume

2111
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,760
or were they just legitimate information

2112
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:23,760
operations done by a foreign government

2113
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,560
and i think that's a very significant

2114
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:27,440
point because

2115
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:30,320
yeah again it's uh you know give the

2116
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,360
devil the due

2117
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,040
uh you know it's gonna suffer smart

2118
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:35,040
credit if i make you believe that

2119
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:36,239
there's crash

2120
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,199
ufos at air material command at army air

2121
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,600
force research labs at wright patterson

2122
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,600
and you track down all of these people

2123
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,040
and you keep talking about it and you

2124
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:47,120
keep putting it out by ufos

2125
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,320
i may not even believe you're gonna get

2126
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,719
ufos but damn if you can get some good

2127
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,719
actual secrets you know somebody i'm not

2128
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:54,159
working on ufos i'm working on directed

2129
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:54,800
energy

2130
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:59,440
oh senator jay you hear that you know

2131
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:02,880
it's good work on their part yeah yeah

2132
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:13,270
dude that's a great accent yeah i'm

2133
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:14,320
probably going to get surprised i'm

2134
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,510
you work with many russian people in the

2135
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,430
dude past an excellent one it's an

2136
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,719
excellent one

2137
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,320
and i want to make sure that everybody

2138
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,760
knows i'm not trying to make russia the

2139
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:38,960
boogeyman here

2140
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:42,239
but i do think there are i mean down to

2141
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,520
the fact that uh

2142
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,440
you know one of our t's darlings is

2143
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,520
stephen greer because why the hell not

2144
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,840
i mean he's like a propaganda gift from

2145
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:50,719
god

2146
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:54,159
you know he's so happy he went there man

2147
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:57,920
i wanted to i wanted to touch on that um

2148
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,199
yeah no yeah i mean it's

2149
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,120
you know what is it it's the you i mean

2150
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:04,640
it's it's the u.s government is the

2151
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:05,360
boogeyman

2152
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:08,480
and everything and uh you know but it's

2153
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:09,520
never

2154
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,679
like the us is the one who's gonna do

2155
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:15,360
the alien false flag i'm like what the

2156
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:16,560
hell somebody else gonna do

2157
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,159
sit around and hang out you know like so

2158
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:23,040
you know again but you know you've you

2159
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,600
know

2160
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:26,159
uh grier has done interviews on rt which

2161
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,760
like i said you can't pay for them that

2162
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,040
[\h__\h] maybe they do pay for it i don't

2163
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,239
know but

2164
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,920
they you can't pay for that kind of gold

2165
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:33,679
where they're talking about you know

2166
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,159
i've had cia's killed members of my team

2167
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:37,760
you know i have to be careful i mean

2168
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:41,280
they're like we

2169
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,719
have to call oliver stone for that kind

2170
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,320
of good stuff right man

2171
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,080
get him on the script well let me ask

2172
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,679
you guys this kind of in

2173
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:50,560
wrapping things up here um where we are

2174
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,280
today

2175
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,600
we have the pentagon here in the united

2176
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:54,960
states

2177
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:58,000
flat out saying it's not

2178
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,159
ruptured that we know of it's not china

2179
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:01,920
that we know of they're nowhere near

2180
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:04,159
where we are with advanced technology

2181
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:07,360
and it's not u.s technology so where

2182
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:08,239
does that leave

2183
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:11,600
us i mean a lot of the very pro-ufo

2184
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:12,560
people are like

2185
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:13,840
they're that's their way of saying it's

2186
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:16,400
alien well guys

2187
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,000
calm the [\h__\h] down like let's be

2188
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,560
completely honest here but um

2189
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,560
where does that leave us what is the

2190
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,320
pentagon trying to tell us

2191
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,560
or what are they trying to tell other

2192
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,000
you know adversaries

2193
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,080
in that statement that it's not them

2194
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,600
it's not us

2195
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:33,679
what could it be i mean where is the

2196
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,600
boogeyman involved that and why is this

2197
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:37,520
still a potential threat in their eyes

2198
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,239
who wants to comment on that i mean it

2199
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,080
really could be a burden

2200
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,239
and i need to explain myself by saying

2201
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,159
that

2202
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:49,840
at like let's say flight logs

2203
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,040
uh to see if that was our technology

2204
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,679
and so if it doesn't match up well

2205
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:57,199
obviously it's not

2206
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,480
um if it's not russian or uh

2207
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:02,719
chinese technology well this is an

2208
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:04,840
unidentified

2209
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:18,550
[Laughter]

2210
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,310
she makes a point though she makes she

2211
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:34,080
makes a point and i want to clarify

2212
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,679
because i see it on twitter when my name

2213
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,760
gets tagged every now and then

2214
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,920
um first and foremost because it was to

2215
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,360
zach so

2216
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:43,120
uh zach i'd like to say that me and me

2217
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,120
and tom rogan were correct

2218
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:48,000
when we said it was we had 99 certainty

2219
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,120
that it was not u.s

2220
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:51,679
technology or a foreign state actor good

2221
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,320
cause

2222
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,560
see what you did there yes that is what

2223
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:56,080
we said but it was interesting because

2224
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:56,480
people

2225
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:00,560
macmillan and rogan said it's alien

2226
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:03,440
and i'm like no no no i said i was 99

2227
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,080
certain

2228
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,880
it wasn't us or not or a state actor not

2229
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,159
man-made

2230
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,120
right that doesn't rule out uh you know

2231
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,040
atmospheric phenomena it doesn't rule

2232
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,440
out birds it doesn't rule out

2233
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:17,040
in fairness it doesn't rule out aliens

2234
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,360
it's just saying like exactly based on

2235
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,800
the totality of

2236
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:23,199
what we have at hand we can say we're

2237
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:24,560
pretty good certainty there

2238
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:28,080
and um to answer your question right

2239
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,000
what does that mean i don't know you

2240
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:31,920
know that's what's intriguing there

2241
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:34,880
and i think for me uh maybe it's not as

2242
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,600
uh

2243
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,199
my expectation isn't as broad that

2244
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,880
people are like all 144

2245
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,760
have to be alien quite frankly i'm not

2246
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,040
even certain that in the balance of

2247
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,280
probabilities that alien is the best

2248
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,679
scenario of all the exotics frankly you

2249
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:49,280
know there's a lot of other

2250
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,040
exotic things and in fact uh you know

2251
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,800
ancient aliens have been running for 18

2252
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,560
seasons if you listen to that

2253
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,960
they've been here for you know how many

2254
01:18:02,070 --> 01:18:00,640
thousands tens of thousands of years of

2255
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,080
[\h__\h] at what point are they native

2256
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:04,560
you know they're not alien anymore

2257
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,600
aliens yeah

2258
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,320
for sure right yeah so uh they're

2259
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,400
limited

2260
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,719
well you that you touch on something we

2261
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,480
that seems to be the narrative that's

2262
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:16,239
being pushed by a lot of people right

2263
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:16,960
now

2264
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:19,920
is it's not human but we don't mean it's

2265
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,800
alien

2266
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:22,640
so like what does that mean we're

2267
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,840
hearing people say

2268
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:26,400
it's like interdimensional it's time

2269
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,520
travelers it's this

2270
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:30,080
it's that like it seems to be across the

2271
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:32,000
board people like elizondo people like

2272
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,199
george knapp

2273
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,480
um jim simovin they're all saying eric

2274
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,400
davis that this is

2275
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,480
it's like a neighbor next to us that we

2276
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:42,159
never knew was there like what do you

2277
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:43,280
guys think about that

2278
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,640
shadow biome i

2279
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:48,239
listen i've always said that if i had to

2280
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:49,840
pick all of them just because i

2281
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:53,040
you know i like tragic irony is that

2282
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,600
uh you know it turns out that it's uh

2283
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,360
you know we all live in a big simulation

2284
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:59,120
we're all in some ai and it's just the

2285
01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:00,800
engineers in the system and then you

2286
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,120
know

2287
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,960
we find that out we're like oh my god

2288
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:05,040
this is horrible it's anything we don't

2289
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,000
want to know like

2290
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:07,679
doesn't matter you can be deleted at any

2291
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:09,040
moment yeah

2292
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:12,560
and so yeah i don't know you know that's

2293
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:16,239
it there's maybe that's part of the fun

2294
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:18,000
is parsing through all the different you

2295
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:19,840
know what ifs you know what it is

2296
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:22,880
sure it's fun if it's alien it's funny

2297
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,719
i don't you know maybe it's fun if

2298
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,239
they're people that live in the middle

2299
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:27,840
of the earth or it's you know

2300
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,960
the man i think uh tom since he's been

2301
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,159
the subject of our

2302
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,000
conversation significantly i think it's

2303
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:36,400
atlanteans right isn't it atlantis

2304
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:40,960
is in hello man aquifer

2305
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:43,760
yeah i think this all happened off of

2306
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:44,880
catalina island

2307
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:48,880
like come on come on they're wine fans

2308
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,350
brothers um well i kind of all right one

2309
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,040
more question for you guys before we

2310
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:00,719
wrap things up here i've taken enough of

2311
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:01,440
your time

2312
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:05,360
um where do we go from here

2313
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,639
like we had we had everything tom built

2314
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:10,239
up and kind of brought out

2315
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,159
we now have a report that came out from

2316
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,920
the pentagon we've got the department of

2317
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:15,040
defense saying

2318
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,320
we're going to keep looking into it

2319
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:18,239
we're going to put a full-time staff on

2320
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:18,960
this

2321
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,440
and uh yeah we're ready to like really

2322
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:23,280
tackle this subject with the american

2323
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,400
public like

2324
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,960
where do you guys think we're going next

2325
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:28,159
with this when it comes to the

2326
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:28,960
government

2327
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,679
and where do you want us to go with this

2328
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:32,960
if they're even different

2329
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:35,120
so zach let's start with you man what

2330
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,480
comes next for uh

2331
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,800
the whole ufo question for you i don't

2332
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:40,400
think you know what you're asking here

2333
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:44,480
uh here we go for another half hour no

2334
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:50,229
i'm gonna quote my friend bradley who i

2335
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,360
have i have

2336
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:53,440
conversations with all the time about

2337
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:54,639
the subject with

2338
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,400
um you asked where do we go from here

2339
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,239
and my only response to that is a

2340
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:02,080
statement

2341
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:05,520
this is this sucks

2342
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:08,560
it sucks this

2343
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:11,920
really sucks and the reason i mean i'm

2344
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:15,600
just being 100 blunt right i love it

2345
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:21,910
growing up i always felt that there

2346
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:28,870
and officials and representatives and

2347
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:29,600
people that

2348
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:32,719
care about other people um that

2349
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,760
represent me or something like that and

2350
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,360
i think the idea that

2351
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:40,159
that this entire story has managed to

2352
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:40,719
get

2353
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:44,639
as far as it has for as long as it has

2354
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,840
now culminating in what we now see

2355
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:49,280
playing out where

2356
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:52,320
we are saying it's not it's not this

2357
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:53,040
it's not

2358
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:55,040
that and we're kind of playing games

2359
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:57,040
like well maybe it actually could be a

2360
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:57,520
bird

2361
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:00,560
because we didn't say we just said not

2362
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,760
man-made

2363
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,600
we didn't say it couldn't be a bird but

2364
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,960
this is the i want to be

2365
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:06,639
like just to be serious for a second

2366
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:08,840
it's it's it's very

2367
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:13,199
serious um i don't like the idea of

2368
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,760
what's

2369
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,520
of the game that we're being forced to

2370
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:17,840
play to kind of put it in kind of eric

2371
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:20,639
weinsteiny in terms

2372
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,960
i feel like we're being forced to play a

2373
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:24,000
game where we

2374
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:26,639
don't have any information where all the

2375
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:27,679
information

2376
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:30,560
is behind classified walls where all the

2377
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,560
people that could elucidate

2378
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:35,520
and uh you know help us understand this

2379
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,159
topic

2380
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,080
and understand what's going on they

2381
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:39,760
won't talk

2382
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,560
um we're even you know even the people

2383
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:43,760
that have been

2384
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:46,639
on the periphery as players like tom

2385
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,520
delong

2386
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,840
won't talk not coming on my show not

2387
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:51,280
coming on this show

2388
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,800
this sucks and i'm willing to say that

2389
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:55,760
it sucks

2390
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:58,800
and it it i have

2391
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,520
hope on the basis of of like like what

2392
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,960
we're seeing play out that

2393
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,880
that maybe we'll get to something like

2394
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,480
an answer

2395
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,320
but at the same time i can't help but

2396
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:10,560
feel like maybe we're also just all

2397
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,040
being played you know there's there's

2398
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,880
sort of like no version of this that

2399
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:17,280
isn't one of the biggest stories ever

2400
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:18,080
and

2401
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:21,679
there's no version of this that isn't

2402
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,639
really kind of crappy because like we're

2403
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,000
being deceived

2404
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,080
and it doesn't matter by who at this

2405
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,159
point it just

2406
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,639
for me for someone who this topic

2407
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,639
affects personally and it goes back a

2408
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,080
long time

2409
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,520
um i have a lot of frustration

2410
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,679
built up over all this stuff and like

2411
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,520
there's a reason why i

2412
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:46,159
i'm like we mccaslin come on man like

2413
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,440
just just

2414
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,600
clear this up we need to start getting

2415
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:51,120
some facts in order

2416
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:55,040
is how i feel and uh you know it starts

2417
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,480
with people

2418
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,560
coming forward and talking i don't know

2419
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,000
any other way

2420
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,719
because the the government is so so

2421
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,880
complex and so compartmentalized that

2422
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,639
the information that we need

2423
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,080
i don't know if it's ever going to come

2424
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,920
out so

2425
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:11,600
anyway that's my really long answer to

2426
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,960
that no man i

2427
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,400
i appreciate that because i know you

2428
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,320
have a lot of personal stake

2429
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:19,040
in this topic um as many of us do that's

2430
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:19,679
why

2431
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,920
we got involved with it we're all into

2432
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:23,120
this topic

2433
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,920
of ufos for our own personal reasons and

2434
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:26,639
um

2435
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,639
i think that's completely understandable

2436
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,080
that you're frustrated

2437
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,239
and that it sucks because you're right

2438
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:34,000
no matter where we turn no matter who's

2439
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,880
saying what

2440
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,960
it's all just a game and we have to try

2441
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:38,239
to decipher

2442
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,639
every goddamn word they're saying to get

2443
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:41,679
to any truth

2444
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,040
and i think that's kind of why i wanted

2445
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:44,880
to bring you guys together not to like

2446
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,440
figure out

2447
01:24:49,350 --> 01:24:47,360
was mccasl and the guy that tom talked

2448
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:49,360
to because inevitably that doesn't mean

2449
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:50,000
[\h__\h]

2450
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:51,679
um at the end of the day but it's a

2451
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:53,840
matter of trying to figure out

2452
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,800
where the core truth started with all of

2453
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,880
this that has happened in the past

2454
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,280
three years that everyone says is like

2455
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,440
the beginning of you [\h__\h] the real

2456
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:06,000
ufology you know with all these new

2457
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:07,280
people who've been interested in the

2458
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,920
topic

2459
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,840
brit included and i'm not saying that

2460
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:11,120
like you know

2461
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:12,880
in terms of like in ignorance to the

2462
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,320
topic like you have a lot to

2463
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,880
process and comprehend and go back and

2464
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:20,400
look at what has happened before all

2465
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,880
this

2466
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:22,239
because you look at a lot of the people

2467
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:23,840
who've been involved with ufos for a

2468
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:24,639
long time

2469
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,920
and they've been saying from the very

2470
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:27,600
start with all this time to long stuff

2471
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:28,000
like

2472
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,080
you're gonna get burned you're gonna get

2473
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:32,080
pissed and you're not gonna get any

2474
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,639
answers

2475
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,719
and look at the conversation we're

2476
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:36,400
having right now

2477
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,320
so no matter how much i love tom delonge

2478
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,679
and his music and like

2479
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:42,560
i i bought the [\h__\h] t-shirt i bought

2480
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:43,600
the books

2481
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,560
like i was sitting here myself being

2482
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:47,760
like goddamn

2483
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:51,199
like just tell us something of substance

2484
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:52,239
that we can work on

2485
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,840
right so that that's my reckons brit

2486
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:58,000
where do you stand on all of this what

2487
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,199
do you want

2488
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:01,760
to happen next with all of this and uh

2489
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:02,400
yeah

2490
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:03,760
what what what do you what do you have

2491
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:07,679
hopes for i have conflicting motions

2492
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,040
good i i want to hear let's do it

2493
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,880
yeah well it's very conflicting because

2494
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,639
i understand the importance of

2495
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:17,679
our national security

2496
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,480
and so you know

2497
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,800
i think the question is is transparency

2498
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:26,639
or disclosure on this topic

2499
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:30,800
going to put us in more danger yeah

2500
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,840
if it does quite honestly i don't want

2501
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:36,159
disclosure

2502
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:39,440
because i would prioritize the safety of

2503
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:40,719
the people

2504
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,080
before disclosure

2505
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:47,360
on the flip side though there is a way

2506
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:50,400
to be transparent and you know like he

2507
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,280
said give us

2508
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:54,400
substance none of this he say she say

2509
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:55,360
none of this like

2510
01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:59,040
oh i've got an nba i gotta be behind

2511
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:02,400
give us substance that is the main thing

2512
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:02,719
that

2513
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:09,360
and the reason why i dig so hard

2514
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:11,040
especially considering that i've only

2515
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:12,400
been in this quite what

2516
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:15,920
a month and a half now and

2517
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,840
she literally looked at her calendar i

2518
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,960
love that yeah

2519
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,080
look the amount of information that i

2520
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:25,199
pulled up i have a stack of paper like

2521
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:27,920
this thick already a pdf files that i've

2522
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:28,800
printed out

2523
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,760
like these scientific reports that i've

2524
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,320
read through you know like

2525
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:37,600
just all kinds of stuff right and

2526
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:40,159
at the end of the day you know i'd like

2527
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:40,639
to have

2528
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,320
fact-based evidence and i like to

2529
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,040
make like a belief or something behind

2530
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,199
that based on the facts

2531
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,280
like infer the situation based on the

2532
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,600
facts but at the end of the day

2533
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:56,080
there's still hardly any substance just

2534
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:57,120
explain it

2535
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:59,760
to me like i'm a five-year-old you know

2536
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,560
seriously

2537
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,199
yeah and so like if there's a way that

2538
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:05,360
you can explain it to not only me

2539
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,280
but the public in general like we're

2540
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:09,840
five years old what is actually going on

2541
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:13,120
without putting us in danger

2542
01:28:18,140 --> 01:28:16,159
i'm all for it explain it to me like i'm

2543
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:18,150
tom's along at an airport restaurant

2544
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,800
[Laughter]

2545
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,960
exactly no i love that brit and like the

2546
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:24,400
struggle i think for a lot of

2547
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:26,960
ufo people is we agree with you like we

2548
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,159
don't want to risk

2549
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,080
national security um we don't want to

2550
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,120
you know hinder anyone's classification

2551
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,920
or security clearances but we also want

2552
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:39,520
the information that we know hides

2553
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:40,639
behind things

2554
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:43,920
but so it's hard it's such a catch-22 um

2555
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,400
that's why that's why we drink that's

2556
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:48,159
why we've been doing this for 70 plus

2557
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,440
years

2558
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,880
another thing that we have to consider

2559
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:52,639
too is that you know

2560
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:55,199
i live in the south right i live in the

2561
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,639
bible belt

2562
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,880
i've already talked to like my family

2563
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,480
and friends about this because you know

2564
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,760
like this is

2565
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:04,159
where my nose is at right now right you

2566
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:05,440
know the majority of them

2567
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,960
have told me it's demons

2568
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,040
yeah a lot of people believe that being

2569
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:13,280
transparent and having disclosure about

2570
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,960
this is not going to really affect

2571
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:16,239
people in that way but that is

2572
01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:19,679
not true i can say that from personal

2573
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,719
experience

2574
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:22,960
i've had i might have made like one

2575
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,960
status about it on facebook i hardly

2576
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,639
ever go on facebook right but i did make

2577
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:28,000
one status about it

2578
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:30,000
and one of my friends just went on there

2579
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:31,040
and said you need to stop

2580
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,639
researching this because that's the

2581
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,080
devil pulling you in

2582
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,800
i've been told that as well yep i i've

2583
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:38,560
been told as well that what i do is a

2584
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:39,040
sin

2585
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:42,639
yeah right and so like that's another

2586
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,199
thing

2587
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,480
there's just so many problems that could

2588
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,600
occur from being honest about the

2589
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:51,040
situation

2590
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,800
but at the same time it's just really

2591
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:54,320
like what is more important

2592
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:57,679
being honest if et is actually out there

2593
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:58,080
or

2594
01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:59,600
parallel universes if we're in a

2595
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:02,080
simulation we understand this and know

2596
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,199
this we have

2597
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:05,520
factual based evidence to prove this

2598
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:07,120
what is more important

2599
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:10,639
to keep the harmony i don't know that

2600
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:11,199
answer

2601
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:12,560
and that is something i still think

2602
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:15,520
about to this day like

2603
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:18,320
i don't know the answer but it's a good

2604
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:20,000
question to ask and i think again

2605
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:22,480
that's why we're at where we're at now

2606
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,040
so

2607
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:25,760
tim bring it home for us man what do you

2608
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,159
want

2609
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:28,159
next what do you hope for like do you

2610
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:29,679
have any faith that we're ever going to

2611
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:30,639
get answers

2612
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,760
i know that's a lot but i i i was just

2613
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:35,280
thinking about what a [\h__\h] burger would

2614
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:36,719
be if what if it really is

2615
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:40,960
demons you know well hey

2616
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:43,600
like let's be up front we know that

2617
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,480
members of

2618
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:47,040
the department of defense and whatever a

2619
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,000
tip like

2620
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,400
a lot of them thought that they were

2621
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:52,320
uber religious people who thought that

2622
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:54,000
this was demonic and they said

2623
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:55,760
stop going to skinwalker rich you're

2624
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,520
gonna [\h__\h] bring a demon out

2625
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:00,239
like this this is real these things

2626
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:02,560
these people's religious beliefs affect

2627
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,719
the information we're getting and the uh

2628
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:06,480
the furtherance of science looking at

2629
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:08,000
this stuff

2630
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,679
well and strangely enough as long as it

2631
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:11,520
remains unknown i mean can we write

2632
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:12,480
anything off

2633
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:15,760
yeah but no i i totally actually

2634
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:18,480
what zach said really resonates with me

2635
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:18,960
and

2636
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:25,040
i think that uh the idea that it sucks

2637
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:25,679
right now

2638
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:28,719
is a good way of uh kind of summing

2639
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:29,920
things up and and i will

2640
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:32,000
will say that uh without naming any

2641
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,520
names that i think there's a lot of

2642
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,520
uh you know mainstream journalists

2643
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,440
who've been covering this in the last

2644
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,120
year you know last few months all this

2645
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:41,600
kind of stuff who who feel the same way

2646
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:44,800
um primarily because okay we got to this

2647
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:46,159
point

2648
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:49,679
and uh i think that for me and my part

2649
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,280
of looking into this for the past couple

2650
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:53,440
of years was was trying to determine if

2651
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:55,760
what was initially being said by people

2652
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:57,760
like lozando chris mellon

2653
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:01,199
others tom uh you know that there were

2654
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:03,440
objects of unknown origin that were

2655
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:05,040
unidentified that were actually being

2656
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:05,840
encountered

2657
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:08,320
you know within military airspace and uh

2658
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:09,360
you know on

2659
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:12,000
highly sensitive surveillance systems

2660
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:13,040
highly

2661
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:16,080
sophisticated uh integrated systems

2662
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:19,120
uh we should be able to kind of uh weed

2663
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:19,520
out

2664
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:21,280
a lot of the other misidentifications

2665
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:23,040
that you know the normal person on the

2666
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:23,600
ground

2667
01:32:27,189 --> 01:32:25,760
might not be able to and i think with

2668
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:27,199
the report came out

2669
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,480
that was substantiated you know that

2670
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:32,960
that was validated and so where we're at

2671
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:33,840
now

2672
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:39,679
that are encountered or captured on

2673
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:40,800
systems

2674
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:42,880
that at least enough has been validated

2675
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:44,639
so now from that point forward in terms

2676
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:45,840
of what is it

2677
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:47,440
i think the burden of proof is on the

2678
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:49,040
ones making the claims

2679
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:50,239
and that's where i think the most

2680
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,920
frustrating thing and that's where it

2681
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:53,679
sucks like zach said

2682
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:55,120
and like brit said is where's the

2683
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:57,199
evidence base behind that is that

2684
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:00,560
uh you cannot ask and you shouldn't ask

2685
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:01,600
or expect

2686
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,400
anyone uh especially if you're talking

2687
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:05,679
about something that

2688
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,760
i wanna you know make sure that we we

2689
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:09,600
really

2690
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:11,840
put this into perspective as to what it

2691
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:14,719
is if you're saying it's quote aliens

2692
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:17,120
uh this would be the most significant

2693
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:18,000
discovery

2694
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:19,520
you know in human history since the

2695
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:22,159
advent of language that's a huge [\h__\h]

2696
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,880
deal

2697
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:25,440
and so you cannot and should not be

2698
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,239
willing

2699
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,920
to ask anyone it doesn't matter if

2700
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,440
you're a member of congress or you're

2701
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:31,440
a random person on twitter you shouldn't

2702
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,400
get mad or expect anyone to accept

2703
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,880
that is being the absolute truth or

2704
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:38,560
except that is as being

2705
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:42,080
what the conclusion is uh without more

2706
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,760
than we have right now

2707
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:46,159
you know the burden of proof lies on

2708
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:47,840
those ones making the claims

2709
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:50,639
and so what quote it is and what is

2710
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:51,920
behind that

2711
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:54,560
uh i think uh you know it's going to

2712
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:55,760
have to come out somebody's going to

2713
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:56,719
have to prove that

2714
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,920
point and i understand that for

2715
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,679
a lot of people it's like well you know

2716
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:03,440
release some pictures and videos

2717
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:05,760
but uh you know it's going to have to be

2718
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:07,199
even more than that

2719
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:08,639
when we're talking about something as

2720
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:10,239
significant as

2721
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:13,040
is what some people claim that this is

2722
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:14,719
and like you mentioned earlier ryan this

2723
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:15,040
is

2724
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,080
we'll just we'll

2725
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:20,159
throw it on the umbrella of non-human

2726
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:21,440
something uh

2727
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:24,719
technological uh origin um

2728
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,679
yeah you know even you know especially

2729
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,679
in today's day and age where pictures

2730
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:30,800
and videos

2731
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:33,520
you know can be altered photoshop like

2732
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:34,880
you're not going to convince

2733
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:37,679
the world and people that that's true

2734
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:39,120
with just a picture of video

2735
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:42,239
and so i i think the burden of proof is

2736
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:43,119
there and so i

2737
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:46,159
i i'd say it sucks because i

2738
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,159
uh i don't know where to predict where

2739
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,159
it'll go from here

2740
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:53,440
uh primarily because if it is a truly

2741
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:55,840
unknown you know let's take what the

2742
01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:56,800
government is saying

2743
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:00,320
at face value it is truly unknown and

2744
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,320
you know there is no crash roswell

2745
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:04,320
bodies or if there is they've lost them

2746
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:05,920
it's it's turned into raiders the

2747
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:09,280
lost ark um you know

2748
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:11,040
just knowing how the government handles

2749
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:12,880
that and brit really touched on that

2750
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:16,560
is you're not you don't talk about that

2751
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:19,040
until it's known you're not going to

2752
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:20,960
talk about it and so i think

2753
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:23,440
that uh if there is going to be any

2754
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:24,560
resolution here

2755
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:26,000
it's going to have to expand beyond the

2756
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:27,440
conversation that's just being had by

2757
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,639
the department of defense

2758
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:30,400
because you know and i shared this when

2759
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:32,000
i did my kind of analysis

2760
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:35,119
of that report and tried to a number

2761
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,239
mj our our editor god bless him love mj

2762
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,920
you know he's like jesus christ you

2763
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,199
like the history of intelligence here

2764
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:43,440
and i'm like no i think it's important

2765
01:35:47,669 --> 01:35:46,880
that people understand how intelligence

2766
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:47,679
is done

2767
01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:50,000
how the defense you know intelligence

2768
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:52,400
works and how that differs from science

2769
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,840
because people are like where are the

2770
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:55,520
pictures and videos that's science

2771
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:57,360
ladies and gentlemen you know science is

2772
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,920
up front

2773
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,679
it provides you all the data all the

2774
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,679
information so that you can verify

2775
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:04,080
and replicate the results that is not

2776
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,119
intelligent

2777
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:07,920
and so you know that's it's important

2778
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,639
there and

2779
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:11,360
and we're not going to get what people

2780
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:11,760
want

2781
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,600
from the department of defense i know

2782
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:15,440
that's a that's a real kick in the balls

2783
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,400
for some people

2784
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:18,960
that's not how it works and so i think

2785
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,920
that uh

2786
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:21,520
you know short of unless they're going

2787
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:23,360
to come out and say all right you know

2788
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,639
here it is something it is x it's aliens

2789
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:28,000
it's whatever

2790
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,360
then they would have to provide that

2791
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:31,520
data but i think that uh

2792
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:33,199
it's going to be it's kind of now

2793
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,560
parsing in the world where it is a

2794
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:36,639
legitimate scientific problem

2795
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,239
and which means it's going to take

2796
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:40,400
actual

2797
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,040
research from scientists using

2798
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:45,280
sophisticated technologies

2799
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:47,119
to detect this stuff and not just you

2800
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,400
know not just

2801
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:49,600
us being forced to go out there with

2802
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:52,080
some binoculars and take a video

2803
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:55,199
and post it on youtube or whatever so

2804
01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:58,639
i you know i hate to sound uh

2805
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:01,920
pessimistic but i hope it i hope there's

2806
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,719
something different

2807
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,639
and i think this is now for me where the

2808
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:06,000
point that uh

2809
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:07,520
like you mentioned ryan that people have

2810
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,719
been saying this well you know we've

2811
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:10,560
been down this road before ladies and

2812
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:11,280
gentlemen

2813
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:14,159
well they're not wrong and so the

2814
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,560
question

2815
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,480
is what's going to be different here and

2816
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:18,000
so i think some of the biggest thought

2817
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:19,119
leaders here

2818
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,320
i think it's on them yeah

2819
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:25,040
people like lou or chris or whoever or

2820
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,320
we're sitting here i'd say it's on you

2821
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:28,000
guys now if these claims

2822
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:35,910
let's figure out a way to disclose that

2823
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,920
so that we can kind of come to that same

2824
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:38,960
conclusion

2825
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:41,199
right and tim i think you hit the nail

2826
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,719
on the head to kind of drive this

2827
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:44,960
all home uh the burden of proof lies

2828
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:46,639
with those who have the claims

2829
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,679
so those who have the claims show us

2830
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,080
show us what that is but also i think

2831
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:53,920
the thing you stress mostly

2832
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,960
uh and most importantly is like

2833
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:58,880
don't look to the department of defense

2834
01:38:01,590 --> 01:38:00,800
for answers to this don't look to the

2835
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:01,600
pentagon

2836
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,159
it truly lies with our scientists like

2837
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:05,840
that's what we've all been saying this

2838
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:06,800
whole time

2839
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,520
is like we want the scientific proof to

2840
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,360
understand these phenomena

2841
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,960
like we don't everyone has their own

2842
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:14,400
stakes in this whether it's alien

2843
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:15,440
interdimensional

2844
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:18,560
time travelers demons angels i don't

2845
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,199
care

2846
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:22,159
like it lies in what we know here on our

2847
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:22,719
planet

2848
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,719
with the most brilliant people uh that

2849
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:26,080
we consider our most

2850
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:27,920
important scientists so like i don't

2851
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,360
think it's pessimistic

2852
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:32,080
i i think it's hopeful that like science

2853
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:32,639
can now

2854
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,840
have an important place in this because

2855
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:37,840
they have denied it for so long

2856
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,760
first and foremost it was like taboo to

2857
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:42,239
talk about this to look into it still is

2858
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,159
in some respects but look at how many

2859
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:46,560
independent scientists are willing

2860
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:48,480
to dive into this and work with the

2861
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,000
government so i think you're right

2862
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:52,320
like let's stop looking at the pentagon

2863
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,199
for answers

2864
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:55,440
and let's start looking at our

2865
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:57,119
scientists who are out there

2866
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:59,920
and crave things like this you know like

2867
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:01,920
that burning curiosity of what comes

2868
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:03,040
next

2869
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,800
let's present a scientific argument oh

2870
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,880
sorry to cut you off no no no no yeah

2871
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,560
sorry just i was gonna say and just keep

2872
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:10,080
having these conversations

2873
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:13,920
and and um like

2874
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,000
we we need to keep talking and we need

2875
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,520
to

2876
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,040
you know the number one thing that i've

2877
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:21,040
learned in the time that i've been a

2878
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,199
part of this community is just like have

2879
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:24,960
empathy for each other

2880
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,239
like everybody is everybody's probably

2881
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,400
wrong

2882
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,960
yeah okay that's very true i'm not you

2883
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:34,320
know

2884
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:39,840
secrets or whatever like

2885
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:42,960
we're all probably uh pretty off the

2886
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:44,560
mark or we have part of the truth or

2887
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,760
whatever but you know what like

2888
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:49,199
the thing that matters that we have each

2889
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:51,040
other's back and that we we have empathy

2890
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:52,000
for one another

2891
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:55,520
and and look this is a topic that like

2892
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,440
it uh it affects people in ways that i

2893
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:01,600
don't think is appreciated often enough

2894
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:04,159
like we're people are very vulnerable

2895
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,199
and and like

2896
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:07,840
when the government releases a vague ufo

2897
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:08,800
report

2898
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:12,080
you're not again i mentioned this on on

2899
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,280
um on ucr but like

2900
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:18,560
you're not just gaslighting us

2901
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,440
the uap people or whatever like it's the

2902
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,679
whole spectrum of people that like

2903
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,520
they need something they're all looking

2904
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,880
for something

2905
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,400
and it could be the people that believe

2906
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:30,480
dave wilcock

2907
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,159
could be us who are a little more

2908
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:34,800
rational right or it could be

2909
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:36,560
people that think it's all demons and

2910
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,239
you're in and by being

2911
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:40,560
vague you know i've talked to tim about

2912
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,520
this it's like

2913
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:43,840
this is almost like to the point where

2914
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:47,360
it's a bigger national security threat

2915
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:50,080
to continue to be vague exceptional then

2916
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:51,520
whatever the truth

2917
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,719
is okay and that's kind of where i've

2918
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:56,000
landed with this but anyway i didn't

2919
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:56,719
mean to

2920
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:00,960
you're spot on zach

2921
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:03,840
and i think it the in fact it rolls

2922
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:05,119
right into exactly what i was going to

2923
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:06,320
say which was

2924
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,679
there needs to be some scientific

2925
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,440
arguments presented here

2926
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:11,600
instead of emotional arguments that is

2927
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:12,560
on both

2928
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,960
sides and i mean that and that's what's

2929
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:17,199
been very frustrating for me

2930
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,000
is because i have seen that same thing

2931
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:21,600
uh you know hats off to mick west even

2932
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,080
though i've

2933
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,320
i've battled with him and you know even

2934
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,920
though i was wrong recently in

2935
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:27,360
one of my battles and was glad to say i

2936
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:28,560
was wrong to him i had no problem with

2937
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,520
that

2938
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,600
but at least he shows some type of

2939
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:33,360
experiments he's trying to show

2940
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:34,560
something and

2941
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,960
frustrating to me even when i've seen

2942
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,800
uh because i feel like we're i feel like

2943
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,960
i keep hitting on the quote believers

2944
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:44,159
but i want to say the critics and

2945
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:45,840
skeptics have been very frustrated

2946
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:46,400
because it's

2947
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,800
it's you know i just read an article not

2948
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:50,800
long ago about how the the the threat of

2949
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:54,080
conspiracy culture and ufo culture

2950
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,600
coming from a psychology background i'm

2951
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,520
like that's an easy social technology

2952
01:42:01,590 --> 01:41:58,880
experiment

2953
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,600
make that a scientific argument not an

2954
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:03,440
emotional argument or you're just

2955
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:04,960
as bad as the people who are sitting

2956
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:07,119
there you know saying it's aliens

2957
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,639
and so that's what frustrating is

2958
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,040
there's a there's a more palatable

2959
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,360
disagreement it's like well this is this

2960
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:15,360
is this is much more acceptable for me

2961
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:16,639
to say but it's not a scientific

2962
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,440
argument

2963
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:20,159
you know prove that there's a link

2964
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:21,520
between conspiracy culture

2965
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:23,679
and ufos there may very well be but

2966
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:25,119
that's a scientific argument and so

2967
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,800
that's what's frustrating

2968
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,119
is that on both sides if you're going to

2969
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,960
dismiss it at this point or you're going

2970
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:32,000
to prove it

2971
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:34,159
make that argument legitimately and

2972
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:35,920
let's not have an emotional argument

2973
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,719
because like

2974
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,880
that just said as long as you keep it an

2975
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:40,080
emotional argument

2976
01:42:43,550 --> 01:42:42,159
then you're going to keep it into a

2977
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,560
realm of belief where it will be

2978
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:45,040
quasi-religious

2979
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,880
and it's going to be you you'll have

2980
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:48,480
zealots you're going to have a lot of

2981
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:49,679
emotion

2982
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,639
involved on both sides and so we should

2983
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,400
all kind of be better than this and like

2984
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:56,080
zach said and we should be willing to

2985
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,639
accept

2986
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,400
results no matter what they are whether

2987
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,480
they prove it's not a bird

2988
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:02,080
or whether they prove it is a bird we

2989
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:03,360
should be able to accept that because at

2990
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,400
the end of the day i

2991
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,880
i don't i'd like the real aliens not the

2992
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:08,080
fake ones yeah then

2993
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,960
they make it could be dolphins or

2994
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:11,920
dolphins

2995
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:14,960
oh guys yeah please sprint please yeah

2996
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,719
oh yeah i'm sorry another thing that we

2997
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,560
have to remember is that it is

2998
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:21,280
so healthy for a community to have

2999
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:21,760
people

3000
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:25,040
on opposing ends of the discussion

3001
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:28,400
because just like tim just said you know

3002
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:31,280
you don't have somebody challenging a

3003
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:32,560
hypothesis

3004
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:35,760
eventually it will purely be emotional

3005
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:39,360
and that tends to lead into cult-like

3006
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:41,679
mindsets

3007
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,639
and like it just it i really don't

3008
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:46,800
understand why people do get so

3009
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,159
emotional over someone discussing the

3010
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:52,880
other side of the argument if

3011
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:56,480
our goal here is to get to the truth

3012
01:44:02,790 --> 01:43:59,600
we need both people it's simple

3013
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,800
absolutely exactly

3014
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:05,280
and i think you know we look at whether

3015
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:06,719
you're looking at a believer or a

3016
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,520
skeptic

3017
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,679
um it's not so much like the enemy is

3018
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,440
one another like we all

3019
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,520
are looking for the same thing the truth

3020
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,360
the enemy is the vagueness

3021
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,600
and the people who actually have the

3022
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:19,760
answers but aren't willing to bring them

3023
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,320
forward

3024
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,000
or maybe they don't know the answers

3025
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:23,840
like that's a completely

3026
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:26,880
understandable uh thing too like

3027
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:29,760
who maybe nobody has the answers and

3028
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:30,880
we're all just

3029
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:34,400
using this malleable phenomena to like

3030
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:36,960
appease our own beliefs and whatnot but

3031
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:37,520
uh

3032
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,040
you know that's a conversation for a

3033
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:41,280
whole other time i think you guys

3034
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,719
you hit the nail on the head like this

3035
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:44,400
started as a conversation about

3036
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:46,800
like a possible general telling tom

3037
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,679
delong something

3038
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,920
but i think we we ended with like what's

3039
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:51,600
most important about this

3040
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:55,119
is like we just want a base truth

3041
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,760
like zach said and we don't have that

3042
01:45:00,629 --> 01:44:59,520
because we're just getting claims from

3043
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,639
the very start

3044
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:02,239
of all the stuff that's come forward in

3045
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:03,760
the past few years so

3046
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:06,320
i'm glad we like went back and looked at

3047
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:07,760
this some people might not

3048
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:10,239
find it beneficial to their own research

3049
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:11,119
or interest

3050
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:13,600
but i think it's important to like point

3051
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:15,920
out the fact that like this all started

3052
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:17,679
with this possible one man

3053
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:20,880
mccaslin and nobody questioned it

3054
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:23,679
and nobody pushed it and nobody's

3055
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:25,280
challenging tom delong

3056
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,719
and maybe that's because no one can get

3057
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:28,960
a hold of him that's a whole other thing

3058
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:31,840
but at the end of the day like yeah just

3059
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:32,239
tell

3060
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:35,199
like if you're gonna make these claims

3061
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,840
back it up

3062
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:38,080
that that's the most simplest way to say

3063
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,520
it um

3064
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:41,440
so i guess that's kind of where i want

3065
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:42,560
to leave it guys

3066
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:45,040
um you've given me way over the time

3067
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:45,600
that i

3068
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,639
expected of you so before we go

3069
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,480
um i want to know where we can find

3070
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:52,239
everything you guys are up to

3071
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:54,480
so let's just go down the line zach tell

3072
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,679
us where we can find everything you're

3073
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,639
up to man

3074
01:46:02,550 --> 01:45:59,119
yeah man i'm uh still doing my podcast

3075
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,560
uh it's just www.projecthuman.fm

3076
01:46:06,669 --> 01:46:04,719
and you can find me on twitter at

3077
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:06,679
zsaichi or

3078
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,199
z-c-i-c-h-y and

3079
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:11,280
yeah i'm just going to keep on doing my

3080
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,040
thing awesome

3081
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,199
brit um i know you have a new youtube

3082
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:17,280
channel that's gonna be premiering soon

3083
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,280
you got a couple teasers up so tell us a

3084
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:21,119
little about inference if you don't mind

3085
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:23,520
hi so imprints is just taking a whole

3086
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,560
like just a

3087
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:27,119
large amount of facts uh putting it on a

3088
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:28,080
timeline

3089
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:30,480
and then just presenting it to the

3090
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,280
audience then

3091
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:33,920
they can infer what's going on based on

3092
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:34,960
this evidence

3093
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:37,280
it will be covering the et possibility

3094
01:46:41,350 --> 01:46:39,600
the psyops possibility you know just

3095
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:41,360
all kinds of possibilities and theories

3096
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,199
and viewpoints that have

3097
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,760
uh just being at the forefront of like

3098
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:46,880
this discussion

3099
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:49,440
uh we'll be taking a good look at every

3100
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:50,639
single one of those

3101
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:53,040
uh viewpoints well in this documentary

3102
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,080
that i'll be releasing

3103
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:57,119
soon um in fact since i have

3104
01:47:01,270 --> 01:47:00,719
uh gotten to speak to all of you i i did

3105
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:01,280
have to

3106
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:03,600
i well i made the executive decision to

3107
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:06,239
push back the documents

3108
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,440
you know sorry brett

3109
01:47:13,189 --> 01:47:11,440
more than what i originally knew and i

3110
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,199
thought that's what happened

3111
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,119
i thought i was queen of research but

3112
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:17,600
turns out might not be true

3113
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:20,719
um but you can find me at inference the

3114
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,629
and yeah and just be looking out for

3115
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,239
that documentary it should be coming out

3116
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:33,679
in august

3117
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,880
and it sounds good to me awesome awesome

3118
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,560
tim hey that's my man where can we find

3119
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,159
everything you're up to and uh

3120
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:42,480
when's the next big uh triangle photo

3121
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,920
coming out of the ocean gonna drop

3122
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:44,960
brother

3123
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,520
no where's that i'm sorry i'm sorry

3124
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,360
no i don't they dude it's a running joke

3125
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:53,040
on the inside bro like every article i

3126
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:54,320
put out everybody's like but where's the

3127
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:55,119
triangle

3128
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:58,400
oh yeah you can find me at only fans

3129
01:48:02,830 --> 01:48:01,520
no i'm just kidding um

3130
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,840
maybe that's where we could find

3131
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:04,800
mccaslin

3132
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:08,800
right 50 bucks

3133
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:10,560
give him 50 bucks he'll give you a bike

3134
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:12,400
and some answers yeah

3135
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:15,040
he could do a a quirk so book and make a

3136
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:15,840
bunch

3137
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,719
um yeah no you can uh you can find all

3138
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:20,639
our stuff at vdebrief.org

3139
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,159
and so you know putting out science tech

3140
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,320
innovative news stories and obviously

3141
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:29,040
stuff that relates to ufos or uap

3142
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:30,800
when it's newsworthy and so when we can

3143
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:32,719
kind of verify it and and we try to stay

3144
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,520
away from the

3145
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:35,920
sensationalized stuff so if it's uh if

3146
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,040
it's something

3147
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:38,880
we've got good going on then we'll put

3148
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,159
it out um

3149
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:42,159
so you can find me there you know or you

3150
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:43,199
can find me on twitter

3151
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,080
at lt tim mcmillan m-c-m-i-l-8 yeah

3152
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,119
yeah there we go um and yeah

3153
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,760
no i i do have a couple of things in the

3154
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:55,760
works and and so we'll

3155
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:58,560
see but you know uh i don't tend to move

3156
01:49:01,990 --> 01:49:00,000
as fast as

3157
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:02,000
ufo twitter or some people like but i

3158
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,119
hope

3159
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,119
i try to make sure it's thorough and you

3160
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:07,199
know it's all good

3161
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:09,920
with good reason i appreciate that

3162
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,639
awesome

3163
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,960
all right guys well that's all the time

3164
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:14,080
we had for today

3165
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:15,599
on somewhere in the skies i have to

3166
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:17,199
thank zach i have to thank great i have

3167
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:17,599
to

3168
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:22,800
we illuminated some of the mystery

3169
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:24,639
behind this whole mccaslin thing but i

3170
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:26,080
think more importantly

3171
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,599
oh we brought up a lot of the other

3172
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:30,239
things that uh we should look forward to

3173
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:33,520
in terms of this topic and like you know

3174
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:35,119
just keep having these conversations

3175
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,560
like zach and brit said

3176
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,639
um i think that's very important i think

3177
01:49:41,510 --> 01:49:39,840
it's awesome that

3178
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:41,520
science is going to become a bigger part

3179
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,880
of all this and

3180
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,400
there's a lot to look forward to no

3181
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:46,719
matter what uh what the naysayers might

3182
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:47,040
say

3183
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,560
good night and i'm going to thank you

3184
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,080
once again for coming on somewhere in

3185
01:50:01,160 --> 01:49:54,159
the skies